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Jan and Lisa Jan and Lisa presentpresent

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INDIANAINDIANAvomvom

WILDSTEIGER LANDWILDSTEIGER LAND

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This is a true story…This is a true story…

offered to you by Jantie & offered to you by Jantie & daughter Lisa Demeyeredaughter Lisa Demeyere

8570 Vichte, Belgium8570 Vichte, Belgium

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It’s the story of a German It’s the story of a German Shepherd Dog, who lived a Shepherd Dog, who lived a happy life, but not for long.happy life, but not for long.

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The Story of...The Story of...

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Indiana vom Wildsteiger LandIndiana vom Wildsteiger Land

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Is the Story of...Is the Story of...

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Canine Hip Canine Hip DysplasiaDysplasia

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Indiana was bornIndiana was bornJuly 7th 2003July 7th 2003

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A very promising young pupA very promising young pup

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Indiana was born in a litter of 7 Indiana was born in a litter of 7 pups (4,3).pups (4,3).

His parents were: His parents were:Nanda vom Wildsteiger Land and Nanda vom Wildsteiger Land and

Xenos vom Wildsteiger LandXenos vom Wildsteiger Land

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Meet the Meet the parents!parents!

XenosXenosNandaNanda

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Xenos’ Parents:Xenos’ Parents:

Wallace aus Wallace aus AgrigentoAgrigento

Ulrika vom Ulrika vom Wildsteiger LandWildsteiger Land

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Nanda’s Parents:Nanda’s Parents:

Yanke v. Yanke v. Wildsteiger LandWildsteiger Land

Nils v. Nils v. Wildsteiger LandWildsteiger Land

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His littermates were:His littermates were:

Ice, Inko & Isaak (males)Ice, Inko & Isaak (males)

Iduna, Idda & Ingana (females)Iduna, Idda & Ingana (females)

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Littermates playing...Littermates playing...

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Littermates feeding...Littermates feeding...

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Littermates napping.Littermates napping.

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Indiana was tattooed and left for Indiana was tattooed and left for Belgium August 29thBelgium August 29th

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His arrival had been anticipated His arrival had been anticipated anxiously...anxiously...

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With a playful beginning, full of With a playful beginning, full of joy and fun to build up trust,joy and fun to build up trust,

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training and socializing started at training and socializing started at the earliest of ages.the earliest of ages.

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““This leash is fun!”This leash is fun!”

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““Let’s go for a walk!”Let’s go for a walk!”

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““Stay!”Stay!”

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First visits to the training field,First visits to the training field,

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with so much to see,with so much to see,

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so much to try out,so much to try out,

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a lot of toys,a lot of toys,

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to chew and bite on,to chew and bite on,

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a lot of strange creatures,a lot of strange creatures,

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a whole world to discover,a whole world to discover,

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And a lot of rest...And a lot of rest...

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And rest...And rest...

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And rest...And rest...

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And rest, to digest all those And rest, to digest all those new experiences.new experiences.

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The ears grow bigger…The ears grow bigger…

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And biggerAnd biggerstill!still!

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Trips to the seaside,Trips to the seaside,

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Trips to the lake,Trips to the lake,

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And many trips to the park.And many trips to the park.

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Growing up slowly...Growing up slowly...

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But steady!But steady!

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Fall 2003Fall 2003

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Indiana was introduced in the local GSD-Indiana was introduced in the local GSD-breeding club of KG08 Groeninghe breeding club of KG08 Groeninghe

WaregemWaregem

Twice a week, Indy and his owners were Twice a week, Indy and his owners were trained to become knowledgeable handlers.trained to become knowledgeable handlers.

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Indiana has been spotted in city centers Indiana has been spotted in city centers and train stations,and train stations,

getting used to crowds, traffic, and a lot getting used to crowds, traffic, and a lot of noises!of noises!

And he enjoyed tracking in the fields.And he enjoyed tracking in the fields.

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An Indian-a Summer...An Indian-a Summer...

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Indiana was kept in perfect condition,Indiana was kept in perfect condition,

dewormed regularly,dewormed regularly,

got all of his shots and was spoiled got all of his shots and was spoiled rotten.rotten.

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It could of course not be prevented, It could of course not be prevented, that he also got sick once in a while.that he also got sick once in a while.

In November he suffered from a never In November he suffered from a never stopping diarrhoea, which led us to the stopping diarrhoea, which led us to the vet,vet,later to the Pets Clinic, he was almost later to the Pets Clinic, he was almost completely dehydrated.completely dehydrated.

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Thanks to the professionalism of the Thanks to the professionalism of the entire crew of the Pets Clinic of the entire crew of the Pets Clinic of the Ghent University in Merelbeke, Indiana Ghent University in Merelbeke, Indiana recovered very well, but was diagnosed recovered very well, but was diagnosed with Endocrine Pancreas Insufficiency with Endocrine Pancreas Insufficiency (EPI).(EPI).

He was immediately put on a diet!He was immediately put on a diet!

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Winter 2003/2004Winter 2003/2004

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The first winter comes around...The first winter comes around...

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Snow is falling...Snow is falling...

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Indiana just loves it!Indiana just loves it!

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What a great time!What a great time!

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Fooling around in the snow...Fooling around in the snow...

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Then comes the Then comes the Springtime...Springtime...

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Indiana achieves VV1 twice Indiana achieves VV1 twice (vielversprechend = very promising), (vielversprechend = very promising),

in the Puppyclass of International in the Puppyclass of International Dogshows.Dogshows.

(1 non-SV-Judge, 1 SV-Judge: John Thys)(1 non-SV-Judge, 1 SV-Judge: John Thys)

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Indiana on WUSV-Indiana on WUSV-Selection posterSelection poster

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April 3rd 2004, at a Judgement Day April 3rd 2004, at a Judgement Day for GSDs, Indiana receives an for GSDs, Indiana receives an excellent written report by SV-excellent written report by SV-

Judge Roland Dierendonck.Judge Roland Dierendonck.

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And then, the first ZuchtschauAnd then, the first Zuchtschau

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And another…And another…((Pinkstertrofee SG5 SV-Judge H.P. Fetten)Pinkstertrofee SG5 SV-Judge H.P. Fetten)

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And finally, the Belgian Siegerschau!And finally, the Belgian Siegerschau!(SV-Judge L. Schweikert)(SV-Judge L. Schweikert)

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SG5 Belgische Siegerschau 2004,SG5 Belgische Siegerschau 2004,Month of August Month of August (13 months of age)(13 months of age)

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Lisa and I were very pleased with the Lisa and I were very pleased with the results of our buddy,results of our buddy,

we continued our training for the BH we continued our training for the BH and started Schutzdienst.and started Schutzdienst.

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In the meantime Indiana had already In the meantime Indiana had already celebrated his first birthday,celebrated his first birthday,

so we needed to have his hips checked!so we needed to have his hips checked!

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September 7th 2004, aged 14 months, September 7th 2004, aged 14 months, Indiana was x-rayed.Indiana was x-rayed.

The outcome was a huge schock!The outcome was a huge schock!

Indiana’s left hip looked like a Greek Indiana’s left hip looked like a Greek ruine.ruine.

The vets suggested the final shot!The vets suggested the final shot!

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I was completely devastated!I was completely devastated!

Lisa needed to be consulted, being Lisa needed to be consulted, being a co-owner.a co-owner.

I took Indiana back home.I took Indiana back home.

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Unilateral Hip DysplasiaUnilateral Hip Dysplasia

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The left hip looks very bad indeed.The left hip looks very bad indeed.

We informed the breeder, got no reaction!We informed the breeder, got no reaction!

Through the Internet we were being Through the Internet we were being informed about Indiana’s littermate Ice.informed about Indiana’s littermate Ice.

He seemed to be affected by Hip Dysplasia He seemed to be affected by Hip Dysplasia also, was diagnosed HD-5, (HD-E) = severe also, was diagnosed HD-5, (HD-E) = severe Hip Dysplasia.Hip Dysplasia.

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Indiana’s brother IceIndiana’s brother IceHe also was diagnosed with severe HDHe also was diagnosed with severe HD

Ice vom Wildsteiger LandIce vom Wildsteiger Land

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Meanwhile Indiana was immediately Meanwhile Indiana was immediately banned from dogsport (including banned from dogsport (including Schutzdienst) and heavy duty.Schutzdienst) and heavy duty.

His x-rays were sent to different His x-rays were sent to different internationally renowned experts.internationally renowned experts.

The Belgian HD/ED-Commission The Belgian HD/ED-Commission diagnosed: HD-D = HD-4.diagnosed: HD-D = HD-4.

Other experts confirmed this result.Other experts confirmed this result.

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FCI-Diagnosis: HD-DFCI-Diagnosis: HD-D

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7.09.2004 – 17.09.2004 – 1stst radiographs radiographsAged 14 months – first x-raysAged 14 months – first x-rays

Dr. Koen VandendriesscheDr. Koen VandendriesscheDierenkliniek Causus, Westkerkestraat 20, Dierenkliniek Causus, Westkerkestraat 20, B-8460 OudenburgB-8460 Oudenburg

Radiographs were sent to the breeder.Radiographs were sent to the breeder.

They were never returned!They were never returned!

Medical Follow-up:Medical Follow-up:

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The breeder criticized the quality of the The breeder criticized the quality of the images?!images?!

And proposed to x-ray again at his own And proposed to x-ray again at his own Vets!? (WHY?)Vets!? (WHY?)

Dr. Vandendriessche was appalled and Dr. Vandendriessche was appalled and raised objections in writing to the breeder.raised objections in writing to the breeder.

Complete DENIAL!!Complete DENIAL!!

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23.11.2004 – 223.11.2004 – 2ndnd radiographs radiographsAged: 16 months – new x-rays were needed Aged: 16 months – new x-rays were needed for HD/ED-Commissionfor HD/ED-Commission

Dr. F. Coopman / Dr. H. Van BreeDr. F. Coopman / Dr. H. Van BreeUniversiteit Gent – Faculteit Universiteit Gent – Faculteit DierengeneeskundeDierengeneeskunde

Arthrosis unmistakably increased,Arthrosis unmistakably increased,X-rays were submitted to the HD/ED-X-rays were submitted to the HD/ED-Commission:Commission:Findings: HD-D = HD-4 = a4 Diagnosis.Findings: HD-D = HD-4 = a4 Diagnosis.

Medical Follow-up:Medical Follow-up:

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Department of Medical Imaging (Veterinary Department of Medical Imaging (Veterinary Faculty Ghent University) sent the images to Faculty Ghent University) sent the images to different colleagues. Among others to:different colleagues. Among others to:

1. ECVDI = European College of Veterinary 1. ECVDI = European College of Veterinary Diagnostic Imaging, University of Giessen, Diagnostic Imaging, University of Giessen, Dr. Bernd Tellhelm, Member of the Scientific Dr. Bernd Tellhelm, Member of the Scientific Council of the SV. Council of the SV. 2. ECVS = European College of Veterinary 2. ECVS = European College of Veterinary Surgeons, Vetsuisse Faculty University in Zürich, Surgeons, Vetsuisse Faculty University in Zürich, Prof. Mark Flückiger, Member of the Scientific Prof. Mark Flückiger, Member of the Scientific Council of the SV.Council of the SV.

Some recommended HD-E (HD-5), overall result Some recommended HD-E (HD-5), overall result HD-D (HD-4).HD-D (HD-4).

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WUFF-Magazine 12/06-01/07:WUFF-Magazine 12/06-01/07:“Indiana’s last Winter:“Indiana’s last Winter:Anatomy of a Tragedy”Anatomy of a Tragedy”

Indiana in the Press: Part 1Indiana in the Press: Part 1

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The Indiana TrialThe Indiana Trial

The breeder kept waving all responsability, The breeder kept waving all responsability, although he had promised “a show quality although he had promised “a show quality

pup”, fit for breeding!pup”, fit for breeding!

The story of how and why I went to court The story of how and why I went to court was published by Dr. Hans Mosser in the was published by Dr. Hans Mosser in the german language dogmagazine: WUFFgerman language dogmagazine: WUFF

www.WUFF.de

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Indy in WUFF-Magazine 02/07:Indy in WUFF-Magazine 02/07:“The Trial”“The Trial”

Indiana in the Press: Part 2Indiana in the Press: Part 2

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What about Indy?What about Indy?

In order to evaluate Indiana’s In order to evaluate Indiana’s condition, he was regularly checked.condition, he was regularly checked.

Although obviously handicapped, he Although obviously handicapped, he kept his spirits up.kept his spirits up.

We tried to make the best of his life.We tried to make the best of his life.

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1.09.2005 – 31.09.2005 – 3rdrd radiographs radiographsAged: 26 months – Status controlAged: 26 months – Status control

Follow-up x-rays by Dr. CoopmanFollow-up x-rays by Dr. CoopmanUniversity of GhentUniversity of Ghent

Arthrosis had increased further.Arthrosis had increased further.

Medical Follow-up:Medical Follow-up:

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18.05.2006 – 418.05.2006 – 4thth radiographs radiographs

Aged: 34 months – Status controlAged: 34 months – Status control

Final radiographs Dr. CoopmanFinal radiographs Dr. CoopmanUniversity of GhentUniversity of Ghent

Arthrosis increased even more,Arthrosis increased even more,

Indiana was put to sleep after the Indiana was put to sleep after the examination.examination.

Medical Follow-up:Medical Follow-up:

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19.05.2006 - Autopsy19.05.2006 - Autopsy

Laboratorium Pathologie van de HuisdierenLaboratorium Pathologie van de Huisdieren

Prof. Dr. R. Ducatelle, University of GhentProf. Dr. R. Ducatelle, University of Ghent

Findings: please see report of post-mortem Findings: please see report of post-mortem examination.examination.

Medical Follow-up:Medical Follow-up:

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No more dogsport, no more SchutzdienstNo more dogsport, no more Schutzdienst

No inline-skating, no bike ridesNo inline-skating, no bike rides

No extensive walks, no more trips to seaside or No extensive walks, no more trips to seaside or lake, no more trackinglake, no more tracking

No more preparations for Zuchtschau, we even No more preparations for Zuchtschau, we even skipped his BHskipped his BH

Instead, Indiana was treated like a disabledInstead, Indiana was treated like a disabled

After the first diagnosis Indiana was After the first diagnosis Indiana was immediately banned from heavy dutyimmediately banned from heavy duty

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From now on, Indiana takes it easy!From now on, Indiana takes it easy!

Flashback to first diagnoseFlashback to first diagnose

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No more runningNo more runningor jumping!or jumping!

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At the club, Indiana is now a At the club, Indiana is now a spectator, he stays at the side!spectator, he stays at the side!

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While daddy risks his life!While daddy risks his life!

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gives me some time to study the magnitude gives me some time to study the magnitude of Canine HD.of Canine HD.

The SV promotes a healthy German The SV promotes a healthy German Shepherd Dog.Shepherd Dog.

In the In the SV-Genetics DatabaseSV-Genetics Database the Kennel the Kennel Club documents 57,24% of all x-rayed Club documents 57,24% of all x-rayed GSDs have perfect hips, only 4,90% would GSDs have perfect hips, only 4,90% would be dysplastic!?be dysplastic!?

No more dogsport for IndyNo more dogsport for Indyand me...and me...

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Let’s have a look at SV-charts!Let’s have a look at SV-charts!

X-rayed pop.: 33,23% = >X-rayed pop.: 33,23% = >

HD-1: 57,24% & HD-4+5: 4,90%!?HD-1: 57,24% & HD-4+5: 4,90%!?

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I have taken the liberty of taking into account some of I have taken the liberty of taking into account some of the diagnoses that never find their way into the the diagnoses that never find their way into the database.database.

All Insiders know that many results are held back, and All Insiders know that many results are held back, and many pups are prescreened.many pups are prescreened.

For this simulation, a correction of the amount of x-For this simulation, a correction of the amount of x-rayed dogs of merely 10% was made, but already the rayed dogs of merely 10% was made, but already the result leaves one speechless.result leaves one speechless.

Less than half of the GSDs would give proof of Less than half of the GSDs would give proof of anatomically perfect and sound hips.anatomically perfect and sound hips.

Now, what’s the REAL picture?Now, what’s the REAL picture?

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Most people have no idea whatsoever, how Most people have no idea whatsoever, how many GSDs are affected by Hip Dysplasia.many GSDs are affected by Hip Dysplasia.

I am glad to be able to offer some graphics I am glad to be able to offer some graphics on the subject to all whom it may concern.on the subject to all whom it may concern.

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Correction! / Simulation:Correction! / Simulation:

Simulation X-rayed pop.: 43,23% = >Simulation X-rayed pop.: 43,23% = >

HD-1: 44,01% & HD-4+5: 26,90%!!HD-1: 44,01% & HD-4+5: 26,90%!!

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Less than half of the GSDs have sound hips!Less than half of the GSDs have sound hips!

The simulation shows that with a tiny The simulation shows that with a tiny correction, the amount of a1 (HD-1) results correction, the amount of a1 (HD-1) results

drops from 57% to merely 44%!drops from 57% to merely 44%!

The amount of severely dysplastic dogs (HD-4 & The amount of severely dysplastic dogs (HD-4 & HD-5) increases from 4,90% to an alarming HD-5) increases from 4,90% to an alarming

26,90%!!26,90%!!

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So DO be careful when numbers are presented to document the phenomenon of Hip Dysplasia.They might NOT be accurate.

Withheld x-rays need to be taken into account when searching for "the whole picture". A mere 10% of non-registered bad diagnoses was used in the simulation to have an idea of Hip Dysplasia’s REAL frequency.

I hope GSD-enthusiasts and -breeders will do all that is in their power to improve the situation.

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1986-2003: No changes!!1986-2003: No changes!!

Figures indicate no major improvement since 1986!!Figures indicate no major improvement since 1986!!

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Further information about the real Further information about the real magnitude of Canine Hip Dysplasia and magnitude of Canine Hip Dysplasia and

other studies and statistics can be found on other studies and statistics can be found on our website:our website:

www.bloggen.be/hdwww.bloggen.be/hd

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In the meantime, Indy had a quiet life, In the meantime, Indy had a quiet life, nevertheless he seemed to become less and less nevertheless he seemed to become less and less

mobile by the day. mobile by the day.

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An operation would carry many risks. We An operation would carry many risks. We did not want Indy to suffer maybe even did not want Indy to suffer maybe even

more than he already had. more than he already had.

Together, Lisa and I made the final Together, Lisa and I made the final decision to have him put to sleep.decision to have him put to sleep.

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In the last weeks of his life, all of his In the last weeks of his life, all of his friends came to say their Goodbyes...friends came to say their Goodbyes...

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All members of my All members of my family, and the family, and the people Indy met people Indy met during his daily during his daily

walks...walks...

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Not to mention the Not to mention the ones who were nuts ones who were nuts

about him!about him!

Like Yentl...Like Yentl...

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And… Claudia!And… Claudia!

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Finally, I brought Indy to the University of Finally, I brought Indy to the University of Ghent for an ultimate evaluation after Ghent for an ultimate evaluation after

which we put him to sleep.which we put him to sleep.

An “In Memoriam” was put on our An “In Memoriam” was put on our website: website: www.bloggen.be/hdwww.bloggen.be/hd

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Revelation of the post-mortemRevelation of the post-mortem

In order to evaluate if "the final decision" was indeed the right one, a post-mortem examination

took place.

We found our personal impressions of his pain (of which we had no proof) confirmed by the images

of the autopsy.

As the expert said: “The circular ligaments inside the hip bowl were destroyed (partially torn apart)

and the cartilage was completely battered.”

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It was a great relief reading the medical It was a great relief reading the medical confirmation that indeed this hip was ruined to confirmation that indeed this hip was ruined to

a degree that euthanasia was the only way for us a degree that euthanasia was the only way for us to immediately stop his pain.to immediately stop his pain.

(We found out later that Indiana’s brother Ice (We found out later that Indiana’s brother Ice had already been put to sleep, after many had already been put to sleep, after many

months of severe pain.)months of severe pain.)

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I quote an expert:I quote an expert:

"That is a severely dysplastic femur head and "That is a severely dysplastic femur head and socket. It looks like it could easily dislocate socket. It looks like it could easily dislocate because the socket is so open and the femur head because the socket is so open and the femur head is deformed and arthritic from what I can see.is deformed and arthritic from what I can see.One side looks pretty good, and even though the One side looks pretty good, and even though the positioning is not ideal, still the dysplastic hip positioning is not ideal, still the dysplastic hip joint is very evident...joint is very evident...

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… … They would have to replace the socket and They would have to replace the socket and femur head to give Indiana any kind of painfree femur head to give Indiana any kind of painfree life.life.That surgery is very painful and requires a long That surgery is very painful and requires a long time for recuperation which is difficult for a large time for recuperation which is difficult for a large breed dog to remain quiet enough physically for it breed dog to remain quiet enough physically for it to heal.to heal.......

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… … Often a very powerful hindquarter Often a very powerful hindquarter musculature and ligamentation will hold the leg musculature and ligamentation will hold the leg in position, but with that socket, sooner or later, I in position, but with that socket, sooner or later, I would think, one false step by that dog and it would think, one false step by that dog and it could dislocate and the pain would be could dislocate and the pain would be excruciating!!excruciating!!

I think Jantie did the right thing, personally, I think Jantie did the right thing, personally, from what I can see of the x-ray, this dog was in from what I can see of the x-ray, this dog was in serious trouble, with no good outlook for the serious trouble, with no good outlook for the future.”future.” End of quote. End of quote.

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Lisa and I are now at rest, Indiana will not have Lisa and I are now at rest, Indiana will not have to suffer anymore.to suffer anymore.

We believe we took the right decision. We believe we took the right decision.

Now we need to see to it, that less GSDs must Now we need to see to it, that less GSDs must suffer like he did. We hope you will help us in suffer like he did. We hope you will help us in

this endeavour.this endeavour.

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EpilogueEpilogue

This is certainly not a “unique” story. Many tens of This is certainly not a “unique” story. Many tens of thousands of dogs are affected by CHD every year.thousands of dogs are affected by CHD every year.

I call upon all scientific personnel and dog fans to strive I call upon all scientific personnel and dog fans to strive for a healthier GSD.for a healthier GSD.

Calling upon the German Kennel Club SV has proved to Calling upon the German Kennel Club SV has proved to be unsuccessful. The association and its breeders wave be unsuccessful. The association and its breeders wave

all responsibility when it comes to HD and disregard the all responsibility when it comes to HD and disregard the latest scientific findings.latest scientific findings.

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Breeding regulations need to be adjusted, so that less Breeding regulations need to be adjusted, so that less dogs must suffer.dogs must suffer.

I’m convinced public awareness will increase the I’m convinced public awareness will increase the pressure on the SV and the breeders, and you can help to pressure on the SV and the breeders, and you can help to spread the word.spread the word.

Lisa and I hope you will try and do just that. The lives of Lisa and I hope you will try and do just that. The lives of Ice and Indiana should not have been in vain.Ice and Indiana should not have been in vain.

May God bless you and all GSDs!May God bless you and all GSDs!

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This presentation was made as a small This presentation was made as a small contribution to the breed, in order to contribution to the breed, in order to changechange

something leading to a healthier GSD.something leading to a healthier GSD.

“Ut aliquid fiat!”“Ut aliquid fiat!”as the Romans say.as the Romans say.

So that something changes!So that something changes!“Damit etwas geschehe!”“Damit etwas geschehe!”

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Rest in PeaceRest in Peace now Indiana! now Indiana!

We love you!We love you!

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Thank you for your time.Thank you for your time.

I hope you will learn from this I hope you will learn from this experience.experience.

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The EndThe End

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Music featured:Music featured:

Niccoló PaganiniNiccoló Paganini“Violin Concerto No. 1, Opus 6”: Rondo“Violin Concerto No. 1, Opus 6”: Rondo

by Viktoria Mullova & Academy of St Martin in by Viktoria Mullova & Academy of St Martin in the Fields, conducted by Sir Neville Marrinerthe Fields, conducted by Sir Neville Marriner

Giuseppe Verdi, Macbeth, “Patria oppressa!”, by Giuseppe Verdi, Macbeth, “Patria oppressa!”, by Dresden State Opera Chorus & Dresden State Dresden State Opera Chorus & Dresden State

Orchestra, conducted by Silvio VarvisoOrchestra, conducted by Silvio Varviso

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More Music:More Music:

Antonio Vivaldi, “Le quattro Stagioni”:Antonio Vivaldi, “Le quattro Stagioni”:L’autunno, l’ inverno, la primavera,L’autunno, l’ inverno, la primavera,

by Viktoria Mullova & Chamber Orchestra of by Viktoria Mullova & Chamber Orchestra of Europe, conducted by Claudio AbadoEurope, conducted by Claudio Abado

Conrado García, “Valle del Alto”, by Alborada Conrado García, “Valle del Alto”, by Alborada de Ocobamba (dedicado a todo los niños del de Ocobamba (dedicado a todo los niños del

mundo)mundo)

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www.bloggen.be/hdwww.bloggen.be/hd

Jantie DemeyereJantie Demeyere

8570 Vichte8570 Vichte

BelgiumBelgium

[email protected]@skynet.be