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Southeastern GTO Association
...a chapter of the GTO Association of America
www.segtoa.org
Check Out SEGTOA on FACEBOOK
August 2014
Volume 28, Issue 8
Celebrating
our 28th
Year!
Inside this issue:
Next Meeting 1
President’s Message
Officers & Board 2
SEGTOA Picnic Directions
3
GTOAA Convention Recap
4
September Club Event
8
October Club Event 9
Tech Tips 11
Atlanta Area Cruise-Ins & Other Events
12
Club Gear &
Upcoming Meetings 17
Parts & Services Info 18
SEGTOA Classifieds 19
Technical Advisory Panel
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Tiger Tales
SEGTOA Summer Picnic
Red Top Mtn. State Park
August 9, 2014
11am—3pm
UPDATE!!!!
See page (10) for the latest from
Mike Walling on the October Tail of
the Dragon overnighter!
The host hotel is SOLD OUT.
Alternates are neaby.
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2014
Officers &
Board Members
President
John Link
Secretary
Lee Lamb
Treasurer
Mike Walling
mwalling@leitransportation
.com
Membership
Kim Fowler
Newsletter
Danny Finkelstein
Merchandising
Ed Downing
Meetings
Mike Walling
mwalling@leitransportation
.com
Webmaster
David Trees
Board Members
Bob Immekus
Ed Bellair
President’s Message
I was unable to attend the
Nationals, but Mike Walling and Bob Immekus represented us well at the Convention. Congratulations to our officers for the awards SEGTOA won at the Convention. Danny Finklestein and SEGTOA won another award for our Tiger Tales Newsletter. The Trees won another award for our Web Site and Social Media. SEGTOA also won a Silver Award for our GTOAA membership participation. Not bad guys !!! Thanks for all the recruiting that’s been done this year as well. Nice to see
our many new members.
SEGTOA had 4 cars at the Convention. The Askews brought (3) ’64 GTOs !! They won two Silvers and a Gold. Congrats !!!!! Mike Walling won a Gold for his ’67 in the Modified Class (a well deserved award for all of Mike’s hard
work).
We’re having a Board Meeting, as well as a regular meeting at the August Picnic. One of the
items we need to discuss at the meeting, is officers for the upcoming year. If you have some computer skills, we
(Desperately) need to fill the Officer and Board postions noted
below.
As you can see by the number of car cruise notices in this month’s newsletter there is quite a bit going on this summer. One of these, the Holy Smoke BBQ & Car Show, is being run by club member Bo Dunn. Please consider attending this show to
support his efforts.
Hope to see all of you at the August Meeting / Picnic. Mike Walling has a great spot reserved
for us at Red Top Mountain.
Have a great summer and Happy
Motoring!
John Link
WELCOME NEW MEMBERS!
Charlie Brown Eatonton, GA
1966 Bonneville
SEGTOA Officers & Board 2015
With the summer Picnic upon us
it’s time again to start thinking
about, discussing, nominating,
and/or voluteering to participate
in the growth of our chapter.
Announcements of new Officers
and Board Members will be made
at the December Holiday Party.
For 2015 the positions below will
be available.
President
Treasurer
Newsletter
Meetings
Board Members
Please consider your important contributions to making 2015 and beyond a success.
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SEGTOA
SEGTOA Annual Picnic—August 9, 2014
Please join us for annual picnic from 11 AM to 4 PM at Red Top Mountain State Park again this year at Shelter #7. Below is a map of the park. We are at the end of Red
Top Beach Road. From I-75 north of Atlanta, take exit # 285 to the right, east. Park entrance will be on your left.
Bring the family. All of them! We will be having the usual cook out lunch catered by Williamson Brothers again plus hot dogs. The cost is covered by the club. Entrance
to the park is $5 per car.
So put it on your calendar and reply with your attendance. All are welcome!
Replay with number attending to Mike Walling [email protected]
Or call 770-939-0624.
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SEGTOA was well represented at the awards cerermony! Mike and Tracy Walling won Gold for Mike’s 1967 Modified. Doug and Tim Askew were there and Doug won Silver for two of his cars, black 64's one for stock and one for modified. Tim Askew won Gold for his Burgundy 64 Modified. Tom Stutzman, a POCI member from Georgia, also attended. That makes 5 GTOs from Georgia at the Convention. Pam and Bob Immekus also attended. Bob lended his considerable expertise to judging (again!).
Bob Immekus (left) hard at work.
Tell It To The Judge!
GTOAA CONVENTION—Pittsburgh, PA July 1-5, 2014
Mike Walling’s 1967 Modified
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Doug Askew’s 1964 GTOs; Modified (left) and Stock (right)
GTOAA CONVENTION—Pittsburgh, PA July 1-5, 2014
Tom Stutzman’s (POCI member) 1968 (left) and 1970 (right)
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September Club Event: Hubcaps & History @ Marietta Street Fest
We have aranged with the event organizers to have our own parking area including our club
tent. However, advance notice is required so we can provide a head count. For those
planning to attend please contact Meetings VP Mike Wallin at Mike Walling
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October is when the leaves are changing, what better time to go on a cruise through the
Smokie Mountains? Northeast of Atlanta, on the TN/NC line, there is what’s called the “Tail of
the Dragon”. It is a section of Hwy 129 that spans 11 miles and has 318 curves/turns. Yes
318. It has more turns in an 11 mile span than any other highway in the US so they say. This
too is part of a 120 mile loop in TN/NC that includes the Cherohala Skyway drive. On this loop
is the Fontana Village Resort. We have made arangments at Fontana Village and have a block
of rooms reserved. Room charge is $115 ($145/night including taxes). To reserve your room,
please call the resort directly. After making reservations, please inform Mike Walling so
we can get a head count and plan for lunch/dinner reservations, etc.
A tentative schedule for the cruise/overnighter is below:
● Take 575 north to 76 to 74 to 129.
● We arrive in Robbinsville NC around 11:30 AM. Each lunch at “Lynn’s Place”. Highly
recommended. Get gas too.
● Drive the southern, western, and northern leg of the 120 mile loop (About 100 miles). Scenic casual afternoon drive through the Smokies with elevations over 5,000
feet.
● Arrive at the Fontana Village around 4-4:30 PM.
● Check in to our rooms.
● Dinner/desert and Happy hour at 6 PM.
● Sunday AM Breakfast
Sunday mid-morning, leave and drive the last 25 miles of the “loop” and then head
home.
Fontana Village Resort
300 Woods Place
Fontana Dam, NC 28733
800-849-2258 – Reservations
Contact for our club stay is Teresa
Brown
More info to follow in next month’s Tiger Tales. For additional questions contact our Meetings VP Mike Walling
CLUB EVENT: October 11-12, 2014
Tail of the Dragon Cruise/Overnighter
Click on the picture to launch a
video from Autoblog.com about
driving the Tail of the Dragon
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CLUB EVENT: October 11-12, 2014
Tail of the Dragon Cruise/Overnighter
As of today our primary hotel is SOLD OUT of rooms. 3 of us have secured rooms for
the night of the 11th at the Fontana Village Inn. There are other hotels in the area and the closest ones are listed below.
October is the prime month with the changing of the leaves. Please take the time to decide to join us and make a room reservation this week at one of the altenate
hotels. You will have to call each hotel to determine what their cancellation fees are which I believe was the main reason more of you guys did not commit this early.
Microtel Inn (20 miles away)
111 Rodney Orr Bypass. Robbinsville NC 28771. 888-293-6793.
Sleep Inn (32 miles away)
500 Veterans Blvd. Bryson City NC 28713. 828-488-0326.
Microtel Inn (33 miles away)
82 Songbird Forest Road. Bryson City NC 28713. 866-767-0278.
Quality Inn (40 miles away)
138 country Hearth Inn Drive. Andrews NC 28901. 866-678-6350.
UPDATE!!!
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CLUB EVENT: October 11-12, 2014
Tail of the Dragon Cruise/Overnighter
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Tech tips
#1 Price vs. Cost John Link
I’ve had problems with the fuel pump in my ’69 Riviera for the past few years. I’ve had to install 3 fuel pumps in the last 2 years. As some of you know, 1969 was the first year for an in-tank electric fuel pump for Buick. There’s nothing wrong with 12 volt electric fuel pumps, most of today’s cars have in-tank electric fuel pumps (low cost, light weight, etc.). Buick was smart enough to make replacing the pump simple by having an
access panel in the trunk. I’ve replaced my pump so often I feel I could do it with my
eyes closed.
But why I have I had fuel pumps going out regularly? I replace the fuel strainer sock with each new pump (old ones were clean). I’ve replaced my in-line fuel filters even though they flowed properly. I’ve checked the pumps after removal (applied 12v) and
they do not turn or turn very slowly (too slow to pump fuel). I know Classic car fuel tanks can be a problem so I’ve even cut a pump open to see if there’s any debris in the pump. They
were clean.
I’m able use an E2485 fuel pump (a direct fit replacement pump). These pumps are used in hundreds of today’s vehicles. I was blaming the manufacturer for a poor quality product. Chinese Crap, I thought!! But I compared pumps / talked with Technical Services at
Airtex Products (75 yrs in the fuel pump business) and guess what, I had ordered what I thought was an Airtex pump on-line but found that the Company I ordered from in Miami isn’t an Airtex Distributor. I also found that another pump I had recently received had a 2005 date on it !! (I always keep one in the trunk). I normally use Orielly’s Auto Parts and they recently changed to Precision for their pumps. But the one I got last from them
had Airtex stamped on it. Huh?????
So what’s happening?? Are some on-line dealers advertising Airtex Fuel Pumps and selling something else (Cheaply made)? Are
dealers buying OLD-OLD stock (say 2005) and selling as new?? I don’t know, but I can assume that all of that is being done by
someone.
I have purchased on-line to save a buck (a penny saved is a penny earned) but we all have to be aware of WHAT AND FROM WHOM we’re purchasing. Would I have had the fuel pump problems noted if I’d have known who makes a quality pump and made sure I got
that pump?? I don’t know but I think so.
When I replace steering components (tie rod ends, ball joints), I won’t use the store brand. I always specify a brand name like Moog. Why, because it’s a safety issue! Brake and
steering are definitely safety items. Shouldn’t we also specify a known quality brand when we’re buying fuel components. Having the engine starve for fuel on the interstate is definitely a safety issue. Yes, I know that even the big brand names have products manufactured in China but they
have to be in charge of quality
control.
I’m going to be a lot more conscious of the MANUFACTURER and the RETAILER in the
future.
The true cost of an item is not just what you pay for the item but the service it gives you and the cost to replace the item when it fails. How much have the fuel pumps I’ve installed cost me in Frustration , Labor, and
Money? Way too much !!!!
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(If you attend a cruise-in in your area that is not included here, please send me a notice and it will be added
to the list –ed.)
1st FRIDAYS: 4 PM Downtown Canton
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1st SATURDAYS: 9-11AM Piedmont Baptist Ch Piedmont-btwn Bells Ferry & Canton Rd
3PM Downtown Cartersville at Train Station - Museum Drive off Main
Street ( Exit I-75 at Rte 113 Cartersville - 113 is Main Street)
1st SUNDAYS: 8-10AM Marietta LA Fitness 4905 Alabama Road (aka Hwy 92) near
Sandy Plains (Road Runners Cruise-in)
8 AM Alpharetta Caffeine & Octane
12600 Deerfield Pkwy off Windward Pkwy
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2nd FRIDAYS: Woodstock Bojangles Hwy 92 and Trickum Road
2nd SATURDAYS: 8-Noon Daddys Country Kitchen 4545 S Main Acworth
4PM Marietta - Wendys and BB&T Bank. Corner of Dallas Highway
and Barrett Prkwy
2nd SUNDAYS: 8-11Am Abundant Grounds Coffee Kennesaw Due West at Stilesboro
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3rd Saturdays: 3PM Canton Riverstone Plaza, (Riverstone exit off of I-575)
3-6PM Abundant Grounds Coffee Kennesaw Due West at Stilesboro
4PM Villa Rica Hwy 61 Mill Amphitheater
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4th Saturdays: 8-Noon Bojangles 92 and Trickum
4 PM Downtown Dallas Main Street off Highway 61
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5th Saturdays: 3PM Downtown Acworth (Main Street )
(Except March 2014, held on 4th Saturday March 22nd)
3PM Powder Springs Antique Mall- New Macland Rd (South of Macland Rd)
Note: New Macland = Lost Mountain = Mars Hill, same road, different names
Local Atlanta Area Cruise-ins
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2014 Carmel, IN ARTMOBILIA—Saturday, August 23rd
SEGTOA has been invited to the 8th Annual Carmel Automobilia where the 50th Anniversary of the
GTO will be celebrated with a special class for all GTOs. For those looking for an end of summer
road trip see the information below.
The 8th annual 2014 Carmel Artomobilia is scheduled on Saturday, August 23rd from 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM. The show will once again be held in the historic Arts and Design District in Carmel (Indianapolis), Indiana, which provides a great venue to host the event. The goal of Artomobilia is to showcase classic and performance cars, attract local and regional automotive-related businesses and artists, and to provide a fun day for the car show participants, event volunteers, and families. The cars that participate in the Carmel Artomobilia range from Ford Model A’s to Ferraris, American and European classic and sports cars (1925 to current), Indiana Built Classics (1925 – 1948), super cars, race cars, and muscle cars. Each year’s event attracts different, unique, and historically significant automobiles to help make Artomobilia one of Indiana’s premier car
shows!
The Pontiac GTO will be featured in a special class this year to celebrate GTO’s 50th anniversary. Our goal for this class is to have cars representing all generations of the GTO from 1964 – 1974, and 2004 - 2006. We could use your club’s help to find GTOs from this period
(restored or in well-maintained original condition).
You can visit the website links below for further details and information. Please email me back or
call me on my cell phone if you have any questions.
I hope to see the Southeastern GTO Association at the 2014 Carmel Artomobilia!
Best Regards,
David Renshaw
Email: [email protected]
Cell: 317-432-6192
Artomobilia Quick Facts & Information:
Name: Carmel Artomobilia - A Celebration of Automotive Art & Design
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2014, 11:00am - 5:00pm
Location: Carmel Arts & Design District (200 South Range Line Road, Carmel, IN)
Established: 2008
Participants: 400+ Collector & Enthusiast Cars
Visitors: 15K visitors
Featured Marquee for 2014: 50 Years of Mustang
Class Registration Fee: $35
Event Cost: Free to public
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Registration is currently open...
Class Registration: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com/class-registration/
Corral Registration: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com/corral-registration/
Volunteer Registration: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com/volunteer-registration/
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Website: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com
Event Overview: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com/carmelartomobilia/
Event Schedule: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com/eventschedule/
Photo Gallery: http://www.carmelartomobilia.com/2013-winners/
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Event Contact: John Leonard, Event Director,317.313.5200, [email protected]
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CLUB GEAR
Ball Cap Hat One Size Fits All (buckle adjustment at back) $20.00 ea.
Contact Ed Downing at
SEGTOA Static Cling
window decals available
$1 ea.
Polo Shirts w/SEGTOA
Logo $20.00 ea.
Men: Gray or White
Sizes: S,M,L
Women: White
Sizes: S,M,L
Also Available:
BOPC Shirts in Red or
Khaki only $7.50
2014 UPCOMING CLUB EVENTS
Date Event
August 9th SEGTOA Summer Picnic
11am—3pm
Red Top Mountain Park, Pavilion #7
September 13th Hubcaps & History—Marietta Square
Marietta, GA
October 11-12 Tail of the Dragon Cruise (Overnighter)
November Open
December Holiday Party
TBD
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CARS IN THE MOVIES
Interested in having your car used in movie making?
You can place your car in a registry at
“movietimecars.com”. Some sites want you to pay for a
listing but this site is free. Show your vehicle at no
charge and maybe make a few dollars.
You could become famous, like Ed Bellair !!! His car was
used in a film recently as was
a car owned by a Dixie Buick Club member.
GTO Parts & Services Sources Thank You to Jeremiah Riggio, Bob Mohalley, and Jim Racela for tracking down some useful on-line sources for GTO parts and services. Hopefully these will prove useful to you in keeping your GTO looking like a proper time machine!
General Info http://www.oldride.com/library/pontiac_gto.html http://ultimategto.com/cgi-bin/statsexplorer.cgi?year=1968&f1=vinmatrix Carbs http://www.scgg.com/carbs.html http://www.carburetion.com/quadnumber.htm Engines & Heads http://www.spottsperformance.com/engineid.htm Radios http://www.wonderbarman.com/codes.html Wheels http://www.pontiacserver.com/wheels.html#rally2 Pontiac Tripower http://www.pontiactripower.com/catalog/1965-tripower Pontiac Literature
http://www.gt-37.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=191
(1930—1982)
Submitted by John Link
Complete list of Pontiac/Oakland enging colors from 1930 to 1982 and up.
http://www.pontiacpower.org/enginecolor.htm
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SEGTOA CLASSIFIEDS
For Sale: 1967 Pontiac Lemans, with
GTO grills and taillights(not
installed)
Solid body, 350 motor. auto trans,
Silver body, Black Vinyl top, needs
windshield. Located in Acworth, GA.
Asking $8,500
Bill Luttrell
678-403-1066
Radiator for ’66 GTO
Tom Arnold (770) 367-1444
1969 GTO, 4-speed with air
Clay Chatham (770) 630-8641
For Sale—1964 GTO
Pinehurst Green, Code J, black
vinyl top, PS, PB, 4-spd, Full
Resto,
Asking $50,000
Roy Smith (706) 635-2221
For Sale—NOS Pontiac & Olds
Parts
Large supply of factory original NOS
GM parts for cars from the 40’s –
mid 70’s. Heavy on full size cars but
some “A” body as well. Switches,
relays, lenses, suspension, trim, etc.
If you are looking for a production
line correct part for your restoration,
I may have it. E-mail (preferable) or
call with specific needs.
Robert Christanell –
770 476 4665
For Sale: 1964 GTO Parts
(2) hood scoop inserts
Interior rear view mirror
Grilles
Various accessory belts
Backup light switch (new)
Horn ring and parts
Center carb parts & kits
Battery hold down
Bob Winchell
GTO/Lemans Parts
1966 Grill Assy for Lemans/Tempest, Nice cond; $150.00
1966 F Bumper mount lights Lemans/Tempest, housings good
lens not so good; $25.00 ea
1966 R & L Front fenders new Dynacorn, painted but never
installed; $325 ea, $600 for pair
1966-67 R & L Door shells new Dynacorn painted, never installed
$375 ea.. $650 for pair
1966 GTO Tail Panel w/braces new; $325
1966 GTO and other A-body full length rocker trim, 2 sets, new;
$150 ea pair repo
66-67 Chevelle deck filler panel, new; $75
65-67 A body factory AC evaperator box complete; $75
65-67 A body AC blower box complete; $750
66 Lemans r&l tail light assy's pr driver quality chrome; $75
66-67 BOP vinyl top trim, 2 sets; $65 ea repo
66 Lemans tail panel trim, driver quality; $35
66-67 A body door panel chrome trim; $30 pr. repo
66 GTO tail panel chrome, r&l ends only, pr driver quality; $35
Thanks, Jim Schultz
678-768-5248
If someone calls please leave a message.
1966 GTO, left front fender
Trevor Newman (864) 752-5827
1967 Ram Air Exhaust Manifolds
If any club member has any experience with installing 1967 RA III
Exhaust Manifolds on a 1964 or 1965 GTO, I would like to hear
from you. It would be nice to know if there will be any problems
before I get into a mess. Thanks.
Paul Sorrells (404) 702-3398 or [email protected]
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SEGTOA CLASSIFIEDS
For Sale
1958 Pontiac Chieftain
This Chieftain has the original motor/transmission and is a 370 V8 with a 2-speed Power Glide. It has a cracked block. The motor is being replaced along with the transmission to make it road worthy again. The car is for sale, along with the original transmission/motor. For further details contact:
Bart Beasley @ 770-900-0650.
For Sale
1965 GTO
This GTO is submitted by SEGTOA memer Jim Racela on behalf of the Woodward Tigers GTO Club (Jim is also a member of Woodward Tigers). For information please contact the seller noted. It is not numbers matching since it has a Pontiac 455 motor . It is a 4-speed car
and has a clear title. VIN #237375K104590.
Contact Tim Little
Pinckney, MI
810-355-1266
For Sale
1970 GTO Judge I want to give everyone a heads up. I have decided to offer my car for sale. It will be coming out in the August issue of Hemmings and can currently be viewed online at the Hemmings website. I am the original owner of a well kept, unmolested survivor, 1970 silver GTO JUDGE Ram Air III, 4 Speed. Bobby Miller 770-287-5709
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SEGTOA CLASSIFIEDS
For Sale
1964 GTO
1964 GTO coupe with original 389 engine, 4 BBL carb and auto transmission. Has power drum brakes and power steering. Red with black vinyl top, black interior with bucket seats. Car is very solid with no rust in the floor boards and all the sheet metal is very straight. Car has an older paint job that could use waxing/buffing but
the interior is in excellent condition with new carpet, headliner and seat covers installed a few years ago. Original door panels are in very good condition. Has a few bubbles starting to show in the paint near the bottom of the trunk lid, but back side of the trunk lid is solid. Car has been garaged for the last 45 years by the owner. Price is $ 29,000.
Located in Northeast GA.
Contact:
Convertible w/4-speed. Rally 2 wheels. Minimal rust, a little on the front of the hood, and some pits in the bumpers. It has had the quarters replaced and a weld section done on the frame that was a couple of feet long.
Original Color Atoll Blue, tires are good, wheels are good. Replaced the original engine with a 502 CRATE that has only 3,500 miles on it. the Speedo reads out at 120,000 plus. Make Offer.
Contact:
Michael Evante 305-467-1702
For Sale
1970 GTO
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Tiger Tales is published monthly by the Southeastern GTO Association.
SEGTOA is a chapter of the GTO Association of America (www.gtoaa.org), the premier organization for GTO enthusiasts. Each month GTOAA members receive The Legend magazine, a Golden Quill Award Winning publication. SEGTOA is also associated with Pontiac Oakland Club International (www.poci.org). POCI members receive their monthly magazine Smoke Signals.
SEGTOA is an organization dedicated to the survival of the Pontiac GTO, LeMans, and other classic Pontiacs. SEGTOA is open to anyone who shares our common interest in GTOs and other Pontiacs. We enjoy monthly Chapter meetings, including cruises, car shows, picnics, technical sessions and other fun activities. Our members hail from four different states! Members and their spouses, significant others and children are invited and encouraged to attend each monthly club function.
Club Membership Dues Dues are $20 per year, payable January 1st each year. New members receive a $10 discount on membership their first year. SEGTOA dues requirements are waived for all active military. Membership in GTOAA and/or POCI is required for all members joining after 2007. Members must be in good standing to attend meetings, with the option to bring their membership up to date at any scheduled meeting.
Membership application is available on the SEGTOA website.
Checks should be made payable to Southeastern GTO Association and mailed to Mike Walling, Club Treasurer, 2679 Peppermint Drive, Tucker, GA 30084.
SEGTOA Technical Advisory Panel
The members listed below have volunteered to share their special knowledge with other
members. Please feel free to contact these involved members.
1964 Doug Askew [email protected] 706-453-2234
1965 Jerry Hamilton [email protected] 706-754-3194 (home)
1966 Bob Immekus [email protected] 770-686-4592 (cell)
1967 Steve Pullen [email protected] 404-402-4917 (cell)
1968 Denny Sanford [email protected] 770-365-3916 (cell)
1969 Russ DeLamater [email protected] 770-316-2185 (cell)
1970 Kenny Simpson [email protected] 404-456-5499 (cell)
1971-1974 BJ Benton [email protected] 678-414-7135 (cell)
2004-2006 Paul McGinnett [email protected] 770-653-0365 (home)
