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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH, Herzogenrath,Germany ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004 The variability of Material Property Measurements The importance of proper yield stress-strain curves for simulation results G. H. Arfmann, M. Twickler CPM GmbH, Herzogenrath

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability ofMaterial Property Measurements

The importance of proper yield stress-strain curvesfor simulation results

G. H. Arfmann, M. TwicklerCPM GmbH, Herzogenrath

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Simulation applications- Geometry, Material flow- Stresses, Tool failure- Grain distribution

• Material data requirements to do a proper simulation- Complete set of data- Method of measurement- accurate measurement

• Methods to measure yield stress – strain curves• Problems of standardization

- Curves from different origin and the Influence on results• Conclusions

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong preformdesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong preformdesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong preformdesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Diagnostic offailures duringprocess design

Failure of a punchWrong progressiondesign

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Hammer forging

Analysis of theTemperaturedistribution after 18blows

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Hammer forging

Analysis of theTemperaturedistribution after 18blows

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

Page 19: The variability of Material Property Measurements · The variability of Material Property Measurements The importance of proper yield stress-strain curves ... Source: ASM Atlas of

21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

Page 20: The variability of Material Property Measurements · The variability of Material Property Measurements The importance of proper yield stress-strain curves ... Source: ASM Atlas of

21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

Page 21: The variability of Material Property Measurements · The variability of Material Property Measurements The importance of proper yield stress-strain curves ... Source: ASM Atlas of

21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

• Prediction of grainsize distributionduring forging

Correct modeling of allboundary conditions:- Temperature- Machine- Material- ……..

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

To get a good simulation result we need

a good understanding of the process and the relevant models to be usedin simulation

the best available data to describe the physical behavior of the material

etc ..

The most important data are YS-Strain curves.

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain Curve datahas to be

- complete, covering the range of temperature,strain rate, strain etc. of the application- reliable, not depending where it is comingfrom- precise- ……

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain Curve

QualitySourceDocumentation

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySource (Type of Test)Documentation

Tension testCompression TestTorque Test

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySource (different locations)Documentation

Compression Testnon reliable data form different

sourcesBased on a study of NPL, UK

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Influence on geometry

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Influence on localdeformation

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Influence on materialflow

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources

Source: BFI/VDEh

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources

Source: DGM

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources

Source: Umformtechnik, Lange

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources

Source: VDI

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources

Source: ASM Atlas of Stress-Strain Curves

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources

Source: Hensel/Spittel

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Different sources have different approaches todo the testing, procession anddocumentation.

Results from different sources are different.

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

MaterialHistoryTest parameter

Data

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation (of Data)

YS – Strain curveCold

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation (of Data)

YS – Strain curveWarm

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation (of Data)

YS – Strain curve

Decomposition todescribe the curve by amath. Regressionanalysis

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation (of Data)

Most of the sources use mathematical modelsto describe the YS-Strain curves.

This is a manipulation which might end upnegative on the quality.

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation (of Data)

YS – Strain curveFailure caused by

mathematical description

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation of Data

Material data should be made available in it'smeasured quality (corrected because of failurescaused by the measurement method only)!

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain CurveQuality of dataSourceDocumentation

Material data should be investigated alongscientifically agreed best practice standards !These still have to be developed.

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress – Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Example of a good approach

Tooling inside a furnaceDrawing courtesy of CPM Materialdatenzentrum

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress – Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Example of a good approach

Servo-hydraulic press

Photo courtesy of Servotest

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress – Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Example of a good approach

Filtering of dataDrawing courtesy of CPM Materialdatenzentrum

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress – Strain CurveQualitySourceDocumentation

Example of a good approach

Storing the data

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

Stress Strain Curve Results

Quality Standards of best practice must bedeveloped!

Source Sources today use varying methodswith different quality

Documentation Beside other important things thedata should be provided in themeasured form without anymathematical regressions done.Such regressions etc should be done inthe application at the responsibility ofthe user

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21. Mai 2004 (c) 2004 CPM GmbH,Herzogenrath,Germany

ICFG Workshop Simulation, Schanghai 2004

The variability of Material Property Measurements

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