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NFPA Technical Committee on Animal Housing
FIRST DRAFT MEETING AGENDA
Wednesday, October 9, 2013 NFPA
1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169
(and by web meeting/teleconference)
1. Call to Order. Call meeting to order by Chair Brad Cronin at 8:00 a.m. EDT on October 9, 2013 at NFPA Headquarters.
Web meeting/Teleconference information: To join the meeting by web: http://nfpa.adobeconnect.com/tracy/
To join the teleconference: 1-855-747-8824 Pass code: 533726
2. Introduction of Committee Members and Guests. For a current committee roster, see
page. 02.
3. Approval of Prior Meeting Minutes. Approve the April 5, 2011 meeting minutes see page 05.
4. New Process Review and Staff Liaison Report, see page 07.
5. NFPA 150 First Draft (formerly ROP) Preparation. For Public Input Review, see
page 12.
6. Other Business.
7. Future Meetings.
8. Adjournment.
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Address List No PhoneAnimal Housing Facilities ASF-AAA
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli09/05/2013
ASF-AAA
Bradford T. Cronin
ChairNewport Fire Department21 West Marlborough StreetNewport, RI 02840
E 11/02/2006ASF-AAA
Clay P. Aler
PrincipalKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Alternate: M. Steven Welsh
SE 11/2/2006
ASF-AAA
Michael J. Biel
PrincipalSprinkler Fitters Local Union 1836653 Channel RoadWaterford, WI 53185United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryAlternate: Rita L. Neiderheiser
L 1/10/2008ASF-AAA
John P. Boucher
PrincipalHarvard University1 Pine Hill DriveSouthborough, MA 01772
U 03/07/2013
ASF-AAA
Richard R. Brown
PrincipalBrown Sprinkler Corporation4705 Pinewood DriveLouisville, KY 40218National Fire Sprinkler Association
IM 7/14/2004ASF-AAA
Hal Cohen
PrincipalHCC and Associates, Inc.3 Mill Park CourtNewark, DE 19713
SE 7/23/2008
ASF-AAA
Chandra L. Davis
PrincipalHornbeak Fire Department406 Luther Davis RoadHornbeak, TN 38232
E 10/18/2011ASF-AAA
Richard L. Day
PrincipalMichigan State Fire Marshal's Office207 Jackson StreetAllegan, MI 49010
E 07/29/2013
ASF-AAA
Matthew Dominguez
PrincipalThe Humane Society of the United States700 Professional DriveBethesda, MD 20879
U 07/29/2013ASF-AAA
Michelle Dvorscak
PrincipalLake County Sheriff's Department2293 North Main StreetCrown Point, IN 46307
E 03/07/2013
ASF-AAA
Ajay Gulati
PrincipalSmithsonian Institution600 Maryland Avenue, Suite 7106Washington, DC 20013Alternate: Nandeep Bahra
U 4/14/2005ASF-AAA
Paul M. Haas
PrincipalAll Fire Solutions Inc.18862 105th RoadMcAlpin, FL 32062
SE 03/07/2013
ASF-AAA
Michael J. Keenan
PrincipalGallagher Grace Mayer Insurance10050 Regency Circle, Suite 300Omaha, NE 68114-3721
I 03/07/2013ASF-AAA
Loretta Krzastek
PrincipalFlorida State Fire Marshal’s Office1717 SE 14th StreetCape Coral, FL 33990
E 03/07/2013
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Address List No PhoneAnimal Housing Facilities ASF-AAA
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli09/05/2013
ASF-AAA
Scott Learned
PrincipalDesign Learned Inc.116 Main StreetNorwich, CT 06360Alternate: Adam Farnham
SE 03/07/2013ASF-AAA
Laurie Loveman
PrincipalFire Safety in Barns17095 Abbey RoadChagrin Falls, OH 44023-1313Alternate: Rebecca M. Gimenez
SE 7/19/2002
ASF-AAA
Jeffery P. McBride
PrincipalEBL Engineers, LLCEBL Fire Engineering8005 Harford RoadBaltimore, MD 21234-5701
SE 7/14/2004ASF-AAA
Brian Morrison
PrincipalCenterville-Osterville-Marstons Mills Fire District1875 Falmouth RoadCenterville, MA 02632
E 03/07/2013
ASF-AAA
Paul W. Pressley
PrincipalUS Poultry and Egg Association1530 Cooledge RoadTucker, GA 30084
U 03/07/2013ASF-AAA
Brian L. Rieck
PrincipalAutomated Production Systems16 Linda LaneTaylorville, IL 62568National Pork Producers CouncilAlternate: Michael C. Formica
U 03/07/2013
ASF-AAA
Mark S. Rosenberger
PrincipalLos Alamos National LaboratoriesPO Box 1663, M791Los Alamos, NM 87545
U 3/15/2007ASF-AAA
Joe Scibetta
PrincipalBuildingReports1325 Satellite Boulevard, Suite 1607Suwanee, GA 30024
M 8/5/2009
ASF-AAA
Richard C. Staniland
PrincipalChubb Group of Insurance Companies610 West Ash Street, Suite 1101San Diego, CA 92101Alternate: Thomas A. Nappo
I 3/1/2011ASF-AAA
Nandeep Bahra
AlternateSmithsonian Institution600 Maryland Avenue, Suite 7106Washington, DC 20013Principal: Ajay Gulati
U 3/5/2012
ASF-AAA
Adam Farnham
AlternateExponent, Inc.15375 SE 30th Place, Suite 250Bellevue, WA 98007Principal: Scott Learned
SE 03/07/2013ASF-AAA
Michael C. Formica
AlternateNational Pork Producers Council122 C Street NW, Suite 875Washington, DC 20001National Pork Producers CouncilPrincipal: Brian L. Rieck
U 03/07/2013
ASF-AAA
Rebecca M. Gimenez
AlternateTechnical Large Animal Emergency Rescue, Inc.1787 GA Highway 18 EastMacon, GA 31217Principal: Laurie Loveman
SE 03/05/2012ASF-AAA
Thomas A. Nappo
AlternateChubb Group of Insurance Companies8000 Maryland, Suite 1500St. Louis, MO 63105Principal: Richard C. Staniland
I 1/14/2005
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Address List No PhoneAnimal Housing Facilities ASF-AAA
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli09/05/2013
ASF-AAA
Rita L. Neiderheiser
AlternateRoad Sprinkler Fitters UA LU 669PO Box 40393Denver, CO 80204United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryPrincipal: Michael J. Biel
L 10/20/2010ASF-AAA
M. Steven Welsh
AlternateKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Principal: Clay P. Aler
SE 3/1/2011
ASF-AAA
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli
Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
01/04/2010
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ROC MEETING MINUTES NFPA Technical Committee on Animal Housing Facilities
April 5, 2011 Silver Spring, MD
1. Call to Order. The meeting of the Technical Committee on Animal Housing Facilities was called to order by Chair Brad Cronin at 8:00 AM. 2. Introduction of Committee Members and Guests. Self introductions of members and guests were completed. Those present included: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT
NAME REPRESENTING
Cronin, Bradford, Chair Newport Fire Department
Aler, Clay, Principal Koffel Associates, Inc.
Cohen, Hal, Principal HCC and Associates, Inc.
Dorko, Christopher, Principal Berkley Life Sciences, LLC
Gulati, Ajay, Principal Smithsonian Institution
Houser, Karl, Principal EBL Engineers, LLC, EBL Fire Engineering
Lee, Lisa, Principal New York State Division of Homeland Security & Emergency Services
Scibetta, Joe, Principal Building Reports
Sullivan, Andrew, Principal The Protectowire Company, Inc.
Neiderheiser, Rita, Alternate to M. Biel United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of the Plumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry
Boving, Peter, Non-voting Member National Cancer Institute-Frederick
Golinveaux, Tracy, Staff Liaison NFPA
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOT PRESENT
NAME REPRESENTING
Brown, Richard, Principal Brown Sprinkler Corporation Rep. National Fire Sprinkler Association
Corrigan, Mary, Principal Harvard University
Crowley, Michael, Principal The RJA Group
Filippi, Marion, Principal Ballard’s Farm, LLC
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Heckman, Steven, Principal The Jackson Laboratory
Hohbein, Todd, Principal State of Utah Fire Marshal’s Office
Jaracz, James, Principal Hobart Fire Department
Loveman, Laurie, Principal Fire Safety in Barns
Manley, Bonnie, Principal American Iron and Steel Institute
Rosenberger, Mark, Principal Los Alamos National Security, LLC
Spinella, Lyn, Principal Brookside Equestrian Center
Staniland, Richard, Principal Chubb Group of Insurance Companies
Trzcinski, Philip, Principal No-Burn, Inc.
Turno, Donald, Principal Savannah River Nuclear Solutions, LLC
Harrod, Peter, Alternate to M. Crowley The RJA Group, Inc.
Nappo, Thomas, Alternate to R. Staniland Chubb Group of Insurance Companies 3. Announcements. NFPA Staff briefly reviewed the purpose of the meeting and NFPAs procedures. By the end of the meeting, an action would be completed for each of the public comments that were received. The committee would also have the opportunity to develop any committee comments to address any topics or issues related to the draft standard. Staff reviewed the timelines for processing the 2012 editions of 150:
Comment Closing Date was March 4, 2011
ROC will be published on August 26, 2011
4. Approval of Minutes. The minutes of the July 8, 2010 ROP meeting were approved. 5. NFPA 150 Proposals. The committee reviewed 10 public comments that had been received on NFPA 150. A motion passed to submit the meeting actions to a letter ballot. See the ROC letter ballot for committee actions. 6. Other Business. The committee discussed issuing a proposal to NFPA 901, Standard Classifications for Incident Reporting and Fire Protection Data to expand the data coding to include various types of animal housing facilities. The committee also discussed possible submissions for the Fire Protection Research Foundation code fund. Both items will be discussed in a future conference call. 7. Schedule Next Meeting. The next meeting date and location are to be determined at a later date. The next revision cycle is F2014. 8. Adjournment. The meeting was adjourned at 1:45 p.m. on April 5, 2011. Minutes Prepared by: Tracy Golinveaux, Staff Liaison
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NFPA First Draft Meetings
Animal Housing
Welcome TC on
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October 9, 2013
Quincy, MA
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General ProceduresFollow Robert’s Rules of Order.
Discussion requires a motion.
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A 2/3 affirmative vote will immediately close debate and return to the original motion on the floor. Less then 2/3 will allow debate to continue.
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Technical Committee on Animal Housing Enforcers, 6 Members: 26%
Insurance,2 Members: 9%
Installer/Maintainer, 1 Members: 4%
Labor 1 Member: 4%
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Labor, 1 Member: 4%
Manufacturers, 1 Members: 4%
Research & Testing,0 Member: 0%
Special Experts, 6 Members: 26%
Users, 6 Members: 26%
NFPA First Draft Meetings
Timeline Public Input Stage (First Draft): First Draft Meeting: Oct 9, 2013 Posting of First Draft for Balloting Date: 1/31/2014 Posting of First Draft for Public Comment: 3/7/2014
Comment Stage (Second Draft): Public Comment Closing Date: 4/11/2014
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Public Comment Closing Date: 4/11/2014 Second Draft Meeting Period: May – Oct 2014 Posting of Second Draft for Balloting Date: 1/2015 Posting of Second Draft for NITMAM: 1/16/2015
Tech Session Preparation: NITMAM Closing Date: 3/6/2015 NFPA Annual Meeting: 6/22-25/2015
Standards Council Issuance: Issuance of Consent Documents: July 2015 with 2016 edition date Issuance of Documents with CAM: August 2015 with 2016 edition date
NFPA First Draft MeetingsNew Process – What’s New?
Changes in Terms:
New Term Old Term
Input Stage ROP Stage
Public Input Proposal
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First Draft Meeting ROP Meeting
Committee Input“Trial Balloon”
(or later, FR that fails ballot)
Committee Statement (CS) Committee Statement
First Revision (FR)Committee Proposal or Accepted
Public Proposal
First Draft Report ROP
First Draft ROP Draft
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Changes in Terms:
New Term Old Term
Comment Stage ROC Stage
Public Comment Public Comment
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Second Draft Meeting ROC Meeting
Committee CommentComment that Failed Ballot
(Second Revision that failed ballot)
Second RevisionCommittee Comment or Accepted
Public Comment
Second Draft Report ROC
Second Draft ROC Draft
Flowchart
See page 4 for flowchart overview
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Resolve Public Input
Create a First Revision
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First DraftNew Process
• Resolve a Public Input (No Change to Text):
Committee does not want to incorporate the Public Input as a revision.
Committee develops a Committee Statement (CS)
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Committee must clearly indicate reasons for not accepting the recommendation in CS.
Does not get balloted
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section.
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If the revision is associated with one or more Public Input (s), the Committee develops a CS to respond to each PI.
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Must include a valid technical reason
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Should reference the First Revision if it addresses the intent of the Submitter’s Public Input
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Public Input
First DraftNew Process
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a sense of agreement (simple majority)
S d b l tt b ll t (2/3 t)
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Secured by letter ballot (2/3 agreement)
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Public Input No. 41-NFPA 150-2013 [ Global Input ]
We strongly urge NFPA not to adopt future fire sprinkler amendments impacting Category B animals to the NFPA 150.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
NFPA_150_public_input_form_7.8.2013_Animal_Ag_Industry.pdf Cover Sheet
email.pdf email
NFPA_150_Public_input_letter_07082013.pdf Letter
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Consideration potentially being given to expanding the fire sprinkler and smoke control requirements of NFPA 150 to include Category B animals should be rejected, per the attached letter from representatives of the animal agriculture industry.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: John Starkey
Organization: U.S. Poultry & Egg Assn.
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Fri Jul 12 07:48:40 EDT 2013
Copyright Assignment
I, John Starkey, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except tothe extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.
By checking this box I affirm that I am John Starkey, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature
Origin (from sources other than the submitter)
Letter was prepared by the 23 industry associations listed in the attached letter.
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9/6/2013http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentParams=%28Comment...
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From: Paul Pressley [[email protected]]Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:32 PMTo: proposals and commentsCc: Vecchiarelli, TracySubject: Public Input letter - NFPA 150 2015 Revision CycleAttachments: NFPA 150 public input form 7.8.2013 Animal Ag Industry.pdf; NFPA 150 Public input letter
07082013.pdf
Attached please find the public input form and an accompanying letter on behalf of 23 animal agriculture associations expressing our belief that language proposed during the 2012 revision cycle concerning fire sprinkler and smoke control systems for Category B animals would result in significant technical and operational disruptions and enormous costs, with little actual or observable benefit to the welfare, health, and safety of the animals. The producers of these animals raised for food believe that expanding the requirements for sprinkler and smoke control systems will not significantly reduce the risk of loss to the animals and stress that pre‐loss prevention efforts are much more effective than post‐loss control efforts in addressing animal welfare concerns. We strongly urge NFPA not to adopt future fire sprinkler amendments impacting Category B animals to the NFPA 150. We stand ready to work with the NFPA 150 Technical Committee on this and other issues. We thank you for the opportunity to provide this input.
Paul W. Pressley Executive Vice President – Industry Programs U.S. Poultry & Egg Association 1530 Cooledge Rd. Tucker, GA 30084 678.514.1972 (Direct) 770.403.0510 (Mobile)
This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or copyrighted. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.
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July 8, 2013
Amy Cronin, Secretary
Standards Council
National Fire Protection Association
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, Massachusetts 02169
Re: NFPA 150 Standard on Fire and Life Safety in Animal Housing Facilities
2015 Revision Cycle Public Input
Secretary Cronin:
The undersigned organizations appreciate the opportunity to submit this letter of public
input concerning the 2015 revision cycle for the 150 Standard for Fire and Life Safety in Animal
Housing Facilities. Herein, we wish to briefly restate concerns we raised under appeal during the
2012 revision cycle concerning the proposal to require the installation of sprinkler and smoke
control systems in animal housing facilities for Category B animals.
Members of these organizations own and operate the overwhelming majority of animal
housing facilities in the United States that produce or contribute to the production of the
livestock and poultry in the United States. These farmers and ranchers are committed to the
practice of good animal husbandry and the welfare of the animals in their care. No one feels the
loss of their animals more acutely than them, and no one understands the devastating
implications of major fires on their operations. No one has more incentive than them to protect
the health and safety of their animals, and in the process, their businesses and livelihoods.
The farms and ranches owned by the members of these organizations include the
overwhelming majority of those that meet the definition of both NFPA Class 1 Facilities, such as
livestock, poultry and dairy barns, and the corresponding Category B animal housing facility as
defined by NFPA 150. The adoption of an amended NFPA standard expanding the requirement
for sprinkler and smoke controls systems for Category B animals including livestock and poultry
operations would result in significant technical and operational disruptions and enormous costs,
with little actual or observable benefit to the welfare, health, and safety of the animals.
These farmers and ranchers will be directly harmed if the NFPA 150 standard is amended
in future editions to require fire sprinkler and smoke control systems for Category B animals and
they publically oppose any efforts to do so.
They seek to retain the current treatment of such facilities in the NFPA 150 standard
which allows them to focus efforts on effective pre-loss prevention programs rather than
relatively ineffective and expensive post-loss control methods.
Our members believe that pre-loss activities such as good housekeeping practices,
effective equipment maintenance, and the control of ignition sources in livestock and poultry
housing have been effective in controlling the risk of fire.
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They also believe that the expense and associated risk of sprinkler systems far outweigh
the potential benefit. Many, if not most, farms will lack a water supply adequate to support a
well-designed sprinkler system, greatly increasing the cost to comply with the standard. The
addition of other water sources in livestock housing may inadvertently introduce uncontrolled
moisture into the houses, creating vectors of disease and infection (flies, bacteria, others) as well
as the simple, greater physiological challenges for wet animals. Maintenance and inspection of
sprinkler systems may also create biosecurity risks to these animals. Modern animal agriculture
operations have developed and strictly follow biosecurity protocols to minimize the risk that
diseases will be transmitted from flock to flock or herd to herd. The single largest such vector is
human beings and their vehicles. These protocols commonly dictate who can enter the animal
houses, how many days there must be between a visit to another flock or herd, whether they need
to shower or otherwise clean themselves before entry, and what they must wear. We also have
questions as to the possible biosecurity risks created by the non-potable sprinkler water itself in
the case of accidental release.
Finally, they question the ability of sprinklers and smoke control systems to actually
reduce the loss of livestock in a fire event. While sprinkler systems have always proven to be
extremely effective in controlling the spread of fire, the reality is that prior to sprinkler
activation, particularly with dry pipe systems, the size of the fire required to activate a single
sprinkler head and the amount of smoke generated before and as the sprinklers bring the fire
under control are extensive. The activation of the sprinkler heads would be further delayed due
to the rapid air movement throughout the housing due to the ventilation requirements in modern
production facilities. Before the fire is extinguished many animals will succumb to smoke or
smothering or possibly be exposed to toxic products of combustion which may render them unfit
for human consumption and therefore require that they be euthanized. Our farmers and ranchers
believe that only pre-loss prevention measures can be effective in reducing the loss of animal
lives in livestock and poultry housing.
For these reasons, we strongly urge NFPA not to adopt future fire sprinkler amendments
impacting Category B animals to the NFPA 150. We stand ready to work with the NFPA 150
Technical Committee on this and other issues and encourage you to adopt this course of action.
Sincerely,
John E. Starkey
President
U.S. Poultry and Egg Association
1530 Cooledge Road
Tucker, Georgia 30084
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On behalf of
National Pork Producers Council
122 C Street, N.W.
Suite 875
Washington, D.C. 20001
American Farm Bureau Federation
600 Maryland Ave, S.W.
Suite 1000W
Washington, D.C. 20024
United Egg Producers
1720 Windward Concourse
Suite 230
Alpharetta, GA 30005
National Chicken Council
1015 15th
Street, N.W.
Suite 930
Washington, D.C. 20005
National Turkey Federation
1225 New York Ave, N.W.
Suite 400
Washington, D.C. 20005
National Council of Farmer Cooperatives
50 F Street N.W.
Suite 900
Washington, DC 20001
National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
1301 Pennsylvania Ave, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20004
National Milk Producers Federation
2101 Wilson Blvd,
Suite 400
Arlington, VA 22201
Dairy Farmers of America
10220 N. Ambassador Dr.
Kansas City, MO 64153
Dairylea Cooperative
P.O. Box 4844
Syracuse, NY 13221
Upstate Niagara Cooperative
25 Anderson Road
Cheektowaga, NY 14225
Select Milk Producers
320 West Hermosa Drive
Artesia, NM 88210
Agri-Mark Inc;
P.O. Box 5800
Lawrence, MA 01842
St. Albans Cooperative Creamery
140 Federal Street,
St. Albans, VT 05478
Northeast Dairy Farmers Cooperatives
6354 Alderman Drive
Alexandria, VA 22315
Dairy Producers of Utah
1315 K Street
Modesto, CA 95354
Dairy Producers of New Mexico
PO Box 6299
Roswell, NM 88202-6299
Idaho Dairymen’s Association
195 River Vista Place
Twin Falls, ID 83301
Texas Association of Dairymen Virginia Poultry Association
P.O. Box 13182 P. O. Box 2277
Austin, TX 78711 Harrisonburg, VA 22801
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Washington State Dairy Federation
P.O. Box 1768
575 E. Main Street 2
Elma Washington 98541
Milk Producers Council
13545 S. Euclid Avenue
Ontario, CA 91762
cc: Tracy Vecchiarelli, NFPA Staff
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Public Input No. 12-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 1.3.3 ]
1.3.3This standard shall also apply to existing facilities where any one of the following conditions applies:
(1) A change of use or occupancy classification occurs where animals are introduced.
(2) A change is made in the subclassification or category of the animals housed.
(3) A renovation, modification, reconstruction, or addition is made That affects 50%or more of the total square footage of the facility, or increases the occupied square footage by at least 25% .
(4) A building or structure with an animal housing facility is relocated.
(5) A building with an animal housing facility is considered damaged, unsafe, or a fire hazard.
(6) A property line that affects compliance with any provision of this standard is created or relocated.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Any renovation, modification, or reconstruction or addition no matter how minor would prompt application of the new standard to existing structures. The standard as written may deter some building owners from making any modification or repairs in order to avoid application of the standard.
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Public Input No. 13-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 1.4.2 ]
1.4.2In those cases where the authority having jurisdiction determines that the existing situation presents an unacceptable degree of risk, the authority having jurisdiction shall be permitted to apply retroactively any portions of this standard deemed appropriate .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This section provides to much authority to the AHJ without the benefit of due process to the property owner. The phrase "unacceptable degree of risk" is ambiguous as each party will have their own "acceptable degree of risk".
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Public Input No. 2-NFPA 150-2012 [ Section No. 2.3.2 ]
2.3.2 ASTM Publications.
ASTM International, 100 Bar Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.
ASTM E 84, Standard Test Method of Surface Burning Characteristics of Building Material, 2010. 2013a
ASTM E 1591, Standard Guide for Obtaining Data for Deterministic Fire Models, 2007 2013 .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
standards date update
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Submittal Date: Thu Dec 27 13:17:56 EST 2012
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Public Input No. 38-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 3.3.1 ]
3.3.1 Addition.An increase in the building area, aggregate floor area, building height, ornumber of stories of a structure. [ASCE/SEI 7: 11.2 5000: 3.3.1 ]
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
It is unclear why the definition in NFPA 150 is being extracted from ASCE/SEI 7 when the definition for the term is located in NFPA 5000. The ASCE definition is nearly identical to the definition in NFPA 5000. We believe the definition should be extracted from NFPA.
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Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir
Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, Washington
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Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 12:52:43 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 30-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 3.3.9 ]
3.3.9 Fire Resistance Rating.The time, in minutes or hours, that materials or assemblies have withstood a fire exposure as established in accordance with the test procedures of NFPA 251, Standard Methods of Tests of Tests of Fire Resistance of Building Constuction and Materials . [ 220, 2012] tests, or methods based on tests, prescribed by this standard [NFPA 5000].
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA 251 has been withdrawn and NFPA 220 now extracts this definition from NFPA 5000. ASTM E119 replaces NFPA 251.
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Public Input No. 40-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 4.2.2 ]
4.2.2 Appropriateness of Safeguards.Every facility shall be provided with means of egress and other fire and life safety safeguards of the kinds, numbers, locations, and capacities appropriate to the individual facility, with due regard to the following:
(1) Character of the occupancy, including fire load
(2) Capabilities Characteristics and capabilities of both the human and animal occupants and their response to fire protection methods
(3) Number of animals and persons exposed
(4) Fire protection available
(5) Height and type of construction of the facility
(6) Other factors necessary to provide animal and human occupants with a reasonable degree of safety
(7) Other factors necessary to protect the facility and contents from unacceptable damage
Additional Proposed Changes
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NFPA_150_4.2.2_13-34_that_carries_over_concepts_from_Rich_Davis_last_ROC_revision_scanned_signature.pdf
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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The University of Michigan is grateful that safety concepts of this nature are open for public comment through the NFPA/ANSI process and distributed through its vast network of safety experts and stakeholders. This issue is very important because::
a) many colleges and universities have research and teaching facilities with an abundance animals.b) we share the concern for the safety of human and non-human life. c) many colleges and universities are struggling with insufficient capital and operating budgets that may put this particular life safety concern on a lower rank than priorities affecting human life safety.d) there are may be factors that increase the cost and lower the benefit of sprinklers in facilities that house animals. Some facilities are not heated and subject to freezing. This could result in the increased cost of dry sprinkler systems. The animals will remain caged or otherwise restrained and might be harmed by sprinklers operating on them for long periods. Water might accumulate and cause drowning for smaller creatures or nursing young. Lastly, there may not be sufficient design data to assess the hazard, making design difficult for those who must determine a water application rate. It is noteworthy that there are no known prohibitions against installing sprinklers for all animal groups as an Owner option. Where this document may fail is if its provisions become mandatory without more understanding of how different animals may respond to fire protection regimes.
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Submitter Full Name: Michael Anthony
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Submittal Date: Fri Jul 12 07:16:57 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 39-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 4.2.5 ]
4.2.5 System Design and Installation.Any fire protection system, building service equipment, feature of protection, or safeguard provided for fire and life safety shall be designed, installed, and approved in accordance with applicable NFPA codes and standards. Consideration shall be given to the availability of water in agricultural housing and research facilities remote from municipal water supplies.
Additional Proposed Changes
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NFPA_150_4.2.5_ESC_Proposal_on_Davis_concept_13-34_scanned_signature.pdf
Cover Sheet
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This is a practical consideration and bright line language to address it will guide planning, design and O&M activities.
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Submitter Full Name: Michael Anthony
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Submittal Date: Fri Jul 12 07:14:54 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 14-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 4.3.1.2 ]
4.3.1.2Where it is evident that a reasonable degree of safety is provided, any requirement shall be permitted to be modified if its application would be hazardous does not present new hazards under normal occupancy conditions in the judgment of the AHJ.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The original wording is confusing, I am not sure of the intent of the committee but this revision may be more appropriate to the original intention
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Submittal Date: Tue Jul 02 16:46:48 EDT 2013
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 4.3.4.2.6 ]
4.3.4.2.6In accordance with the disaster/emergency management program, equipment designated as necessary for the evacuation orremoval of animals, such as halters and leads, shall be worn by or kept near each animal at all times. from the facility shall be made available. Intended personel and equipment shall be implemented to remove animals as quickly as possible to a safe location when it is safe to do so.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This standard may be useful for equestrian facilities but is not appropriate for other types of livestock such as swine, poultry and cattle.
Submitter Information Verification
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Submittal Date: Tue Jul 02 16:53:30 EDT 2013
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 16-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 5.1.3 ]
5.1.3 * Independent Review.The authority having jurisdiction shall be permitted to require an a mutually approved, independent third party to review the proposed design and provide an evaluation of the design to the authority having jurisdiction at the expense of the owner.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
If the cost of the third party review is to be born by the owner then it should be one that is agreed upon with both the owner and the AHJ
Submitter Information Verification
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Submittal Date: Tue Jul 02 17:07:16 EDT 2013
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 18-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 7.2.2 ]
7.2.2* Additional Requirements.In addition to the requirements of 7.2.1, the allowable number of stories above grade where the animal housing facilities are permitted and the allowable area per story of animal housing facilities shall not exceed the limits set forth in Table 7.2.2. The values in Table 7.2.2 for sprinklered facilities shall apply to facilities protectedthroughout with an approved, electrically supervised automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 9.2.Table 7.2.2 Allowable Facility Height and Areas
Construction Type
I (442)
I (332)
II (222)
II (111)
II (000)
III (211)
III (200)
IVV
(111)V
(000)
Sprinklered or
NonsprinkleredS N S N S N S N S N S N S N S N S N S N
Class 1 Facilities
Category A Animals
Stories UL NP UL NP 12 NP 6 NP 4 NP 6 NP 4 NP 6 NP 4 NP 3 NP
Area
(1000 ft2)
UL NP UL NP UL NP 75 NP 46 NP 57 NP 38 NP 72 NP 36 NP 18 NP
Category B Animals
Stories UL UL UL UL 12 11 6 5 4 3 6 5 4 3 6 5 4 3 3 2
Area
(1000 ft2)
UL 90 UL 90 UL 90 75 37.5 46 23 57 28.5 38 19 72 36 36 18 18 9
Class 2 Facilities
Category A Animals
Stories UL NP UL NP 12 NP 5 NP 3 NP 5 NP 3 NP 5 NP 4 NP 2 NP
Area
(1000 ft2)
UL NP UL NP UL NP 43 NP 25 NP 37 NP 25 NP 41 NP 28 NP 18 NP
Category B Animals
Stories UL UL UL UL 12 11 5 4 3 2 5 4 3 2 5 4 4 3 2 2
Area (1000
ft2)UL 45 UL 45 UL 45 43 21.5 25 12.5 37 18.5 25 12.5 41 20.5 28 14 18 9
Class 3 Facilities
Category A Animals
Stories UL NP UL NP 12 NP 4 NP 3 NP 4 NP 3 NP 4 NP 3 NP 2 NP
Area
(1000 ft2)
UL NP UL NP UL NP 31 NP 19 NP 28 NP 19 NP 30 NP 23 NP 12 NP
Category BAnimals
Stories UL UL UL UL 12 11 4 3 3 2 4 3 3 2 4 3 3 2 2 1
Area
(1000 ft2)
UL 45 UL 45 UL 45 31 15.5 19 9.5 28 14 19 9.5 30 15 23 11.5 12 6
For SI units, 1 ft = 0.3048 m, 1 ft2 = 0.093 m2.
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S: Sprinklered. Allowable facility height in feet and allowable number of stories above grade in facilities protected with an automatic sprinkler system as specified in7.2.2.
N: Nonsprinklered. Allowable facility height in feet and allowable number of stories above grade in facilities not protected with an automatic sprinkler system as specified in 7.2.2.
UL: Unlimited.
NP: Not permitted.
Note: Within each subclassification, “Stories” refers to the allowable number of stories above grade where the animal housing facilities are permitted to be located; “Area” refers to the allowable area per story.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This table does not provide enough information for those not familiar with Construction Types. An explanation should be provided to help the user understand the Roman Numeral and numerical designation. As most livestock facilities are single story structures it may be helpful to start with a table showing single story structures and a second table for multiple story's.
Submitter Information Verification
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Submittal Date: Tue Jul 02 17:31:42 EDT 2013
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 21-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 7.3.1 ]
7.3.1Stalls, cages, and enclosures housing one or more animals shall allow space for each animal to express all species-typical postures, social adjustment, behaviors, and movements. lie down fully on its side and easily stand back up. The animal should also have adequate room to lie down without having to lie on other animals or on raised feeders.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
I believe the existing standard is beyond the scope of the committee. There are other entities and authorities from each industry or group that are better prepared to address this issue.
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 03 14:39:26 EDT 2013
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 22-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 7.3.2 ]
7.3.2Animals shall be able to lie down with limbs extended in a normal manner without obstruction from enclosure sides or having to extend feet through feeder doors or bars.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
My recommended changes to 7.3.1 would eliminate the need for this paragraph. Alternativly the second sentence of my changes to 7.3.1 could replace the current sentence.
Submitter Information Verification
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 03 14:52:50 EDT 2013
Copyright Assignment
I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 20-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 7.6.1 ]
7.6.1Animal housing facilities shall be separated with a 2 1 -hour fireresistance-rated enclosure from hazardous areas, including, but not limited to, feed rooms, tack rooms, vehicle or equipment storage rooms, blacksmith shops, kitchens, mechanical equipment rooms, and electical rooms and emergancy generators or similar areas.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
I beleive a 1 hour rated sepeartion is adequate for this standard. The addition of elecrical rooms and emergancy generators is more reflective of modern livestock facilities
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 03 14:33:57 EDT 2013
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 19-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 8.1.1 ]
8.1.1 * Category A.Category A animals that can be safely egressed to a holding area, without human contact, shall have adequate means of egress provided.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Category A animals encompasses livestock such as swine, dairy, and beef cattle. It is not possible to have large numbers of livestock safely egress with or with out human intervention. In most cases livestock will not move to unfamiliar area willingly.
Submitter Information Verification
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Submittal Date: Tue Jul 02 17:45:40 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 23-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 8.1.2.1.1 ]
8.1.2.1.1Two means Two means of egress for human and animal occupants, as a minimum, shall be provided in every facility, section, and area where size, occupancy, and arrangement endanger occupants attempting to use a single means of egress that is blocked by fire orsmoke.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
I suggest ommting "area" as this implies that every area including small rooms or storage areas would require more than one exit
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Public Input No. 24-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 8.1.2.4.1 ]
8.1.2.4.1In animal housing facilities not sprinklered in accordance with Section 9.2 , exit travel distance shall not exceed 75 exceed 300 ft (23 m) from any point in the facility.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The 75 foot distance is impractical and far more restrictive than other standards for human occupancy. Most jurisdictions use the NFPA 40 for Special Purpose Industrial Occupancy for animal agriculture facilities. Under the NFPA 40.2.6 the standardis 300 ft.
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Public Input No. 25-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 8.1.2.4.2 ]
8.1.2.4.2In animal housing facilities sprinklered in accordance with Section 9.2 , exit travel distance shall not exceed 100 exceed 400 ft (30 m) from any point in the facility.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This standard is far more restrictive than other standards for human occupancy. Most jurisditctions use the NFPA 40 standards for Special Purpose Industrial Occupancy for aniamal agriculture structures that standard calls for 400ft to exit for sprinklered facilities
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Public Input No. 27-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.4.2 ]
9.4.2Extinguishers in accordance with 9.4.1 shall have a minimum 2-A:10-B:C rating and shall be not more than a 50 a 75 ft (15.2 m) travel distance from any point within the animal housing facility. in special purpose or general occupancy areas. Livestock areas not typicly occupied by humans shall have a minimum 2-A:10:B:C extinguisher located at each exit.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
In animal agriculture structures such as hog farms and dairies many areas are not occupied by humans that can make use of the extinguishers. In modern livestock facilities such as these there are little no combustible materials, minimal electrical systems, and no fuel sources. Due to the large span of these facilities and the size of the animals there is no practical locations to mount the extinguishers.
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Public Input No. 28-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.5 ]
9.5 Lightning Protection.Where lightning protection is required by this standard for the animal housing facility, lightning protection shall be in accordance with NFPA 780, Standard for the Installation of Lightning Protection Systems.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Most modern livestock raising facilities are steel buildings, and are bonded and grounded. Electrical systems installed in accordance with NFPA 70 are grounded systems. Lightning Arrestors are redundent in these structures and have no functional value.
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Public Input No. 29-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.6.2.1 ]
9.6.2.1Smoking shall be prohibited except in designated safe areas inanimal housing facilities .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
As improperly discarded smoking materials are a major cause of structural fires, smoking should not be allowed in animal housing facilities or associated structures.
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Public Input No. 31-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.6.3.2 ]
9.6.3.2Detached noncombustible trash containers located no less than 20ft from any animal housing structure , for other than animal waste, shall be provided and a frequent removal program shall be established.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
While it is important that waste containers be provided, they should also be located away from the structure to prevent the spread of fire to the building should one occur in the waste conatianer
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Public Input No. 32-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.6.4.1 ]
9.6.4.1Electrical systems and appliances shall be installed in accordance with the requirements of NFPA 70 , National Electrical Code . Animal Agriculture Facilities will be in accordance with Artical 547 for Agricultural Buildings
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Agricultural Buildings are subject to the Artical 547 standards in many jurisdisctions and is approriate for this standard
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.8 ]
9.8 Special Requirements for Category A Animals.9.8.1 Sprinkler Systems.Animal housing facilities with Category A animals or horses shall besprinklered throughout in accordance with Section 9.2.9.8.2 Smoke Control Systems.Animal housing facilities with Category A animals or horses shall have a smoke control system unless modified as approved by the AHJ.9.8.2.1*
Smoke control systems shall be installed, inspected, tested, and maintained in accordance with NFPA 92, Standard for Smoke Control Systems, or nationally recognized standards, engineering guides, or recommended practices.
9.8.2.2The engineer of record shall clearly identify the intent of the system, the design method used, the appropriateness of the method used, and the required means of inspecting, testing, and maintaining the system.
9.8.2.3Acceptance testing shall be performed by a special inspector inaccordance with the following:
(1) Special inspections and tests shall be performed to verify the operation of the smoke control system in its final condition for acceptance by the AHJ.
(2) The design documents shall provide the procedures and methods to be used and items subject to special inspections and tests.
(3) The special inspector shall submit an inspection and test report to the AHJ and registered design professional in responsible charge.
9.8.2.4 Smoke Control System Operation.9.8.2.4.1
Smoke control systems shall be automatically activated by sprinkler waterflow, smoke detection, or other approved detection systems in accordance with NFPA 72. Smoke control systems shall remain operational throughout the emergency.
9.8.2.4.2Means for manual operation of smoke control systems shall be provided at an approved location.
9.8.3* Areas Requiring Human Attendance.With the approval of the AHJ, surgical, procedure, and treatment areas where the animals are anesthetized or otherwise require human attendance shall be designed, constructed, and maintained with a defend-in-place strategy to allow continued human attendance to minimize the unnecessary loss of animal life.9.8.4* Additional Safeguards.For animal housing facilities with Category A animals, the AHJ shall be permitted to require additional safeguards necessary to protect animal occupants that cannot be safely evacuated.
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The horse is not an expendable animal but highly prized during its lifetime for its usefulness and value to humans. Fire consumes the lives of horses more frequently than any other animal dying from fire, based on anecdotal evidence compiled over the last four years. During that time, and taking into account only the more widely publicized commercial stable fires, over 250 horses have died from fire in commercial stables, including 35 horses on June 20th, 2013 in Rossville, GA. This proposal extends sprinkler protection and smoke control beyond Category A animals to horses only and, given the scope of the document, this would apply primarily to newly constructed, commercial horse stables.
NFPA 150 was originally written in response to racetrack stable fires and was written specifically for the protection of horses and their handlers in those types of facilities. However, with the document expanding its scope to all animals, horses have been relegated to Category B, which encompasses a wide array of animals that do not receive the required sprinkler or smoke control protection afforded to Category A animals. However, horses require this type of protection as they are a highly valuable animal both commercially and therapeutically, and most often die from fire at a time when no humans are on hand to rescue them. Sprinkler and smoke control protection would give horses a fighting chance during the time it takes for handlers and fire service personnel to respond and come to their aid.
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Public Input No. 17-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.8.1 ]
9.8.1 Sprinkler Systems.Animal housing facilities with Category A animals shall be sprinklered throughout in accordance with Section 9.2 .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This blanket statement is not practical or feasible in most livestock production facilities. In most cases sprinkler systems would be totally ineffective due to numerous issues such as:lack of adequate water supplies in rural areasmost fires occur in overhead areas such as attic spaces rather than the livestock floor areas that are non combustiblethe area normally protected by sprinklers systems is primarily non combustible materials such as concrete and steel modern free stall dairy barns contain almost no combustible materials
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 33-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.8.1 ]
9.8.1 Sprinkler Systems.Animal housing facilities with Category A animals shall be sprinklered throughout in accordance with Section 9.2.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This standard is to broad as sprinkler systems in most livestock raising facilities are not feasible or of no practical benefit. In most rural areas there is not a large enough source of water. In a normal sprinkler systems the discharge is to the occupied space, the occupied space in most of these facilities is non combustible as the floor is concreste the ceiling and fixtures are metal and many of the walls are concrete and wood framing with metal liners.Most of the structure fires occur in the attic space not protected by sprinklers.Most modern free stall dairy barns are steel framed, with metal roof panels. concrete floors and metal headstalls. Many dairies use sand bedding and those that use composed materials are keep the bedding to damp to readily burn.
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 34-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.8.2 ]
9.8.2 Smoke Control Systems.Animal housing facilities with Category A animals shall have a smoke control system unless modified as approved by the AHJ.
9.8.2.1 *Smoke control systems shall be installed, inspected, tested, and maintained in accordance with NFPA 92, Standard for Smoke Control Systems , or nationally recognized standards, engineering guides, or recommended practices.
9.8.2.2The engineer of record shall clearly identify the intent of the system, the design method used, the appropriateness of the method used, and the required means of inspecting, testing, and maintaining the system.
9.8.2.3Acceptance testing shall be performed by a special inspector in accordance with the following:
(1) Special inspections and tests shall be performed to verify the operation of the smoke control system in its final condition for acceptance by the AHJ.
(2) The design documents shall provide the procedures and methods to be used and items subject to special inspections and tests.
(3) The special inspector shall submit an inspection and test report to the AHJ and registered design professional in responsible charge.
9.8.2.4 Smoke Control System Operation.9.8.2.4.1
Smoke control systems shall be automatically activated by sprinkler waterflow, smoke detection, or other approved detection systems in accordance with NFPA 72 . Smoke control systems shall remain operational throughout the emergency.
9.8.2.4.2Means for manual operation of smoke control systems shall be provided at an approved location.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Due to the size and scope of livestock raising facilities smoke control systems are not practical or feasible.
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Submitter Full Name: Mike Keenan
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 35-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 9.8.4 ]
9.8.4 * Additional Safeguards.For animal housing facilities with Category A animals, the AHJ shall be permitted to require additional safeguards necessary to protect animal occupants that cannot be safely evacuated.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This standard is ambiguish and allows for the AHJ to much leeway.
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I, Mike Keenan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 150-2012 [ Section No. 10.2 ]
10.2 Insulation.
Exposed insulation shall not be permitted Insulation in animal housing facilities shall comply with section 10.2.1 through 10.2.3.10.2.1 Exposed insulation shall comply with the interior finish requirements of section 10.1.10.2.2 Foam plastic insulation shall not be permitted to be used exposed unless: (a) it complies with the requirements of 10.2.2.1 as well as with the requirements of 10.2.2.2 or (b) it complies with the requirements of 10.2.2.3.10.2.2.1 Foam plastic insulation shall be covered by a thermal barrier complying with NFPA 27510.2.2.2 Foam plastic insulation shall comply with the requirements of10.1.1.1.10.2.2.3 Foam plastic insulation complies with the requirements of 10.1.1.3.10.2.3 Loose fill insulation shall not be permitted to be used exposed inanimal housing facilities.Also, add a reference to NFPA 275, Standard Method of Fire Tests for the Evaluation of Thermal Barriers Used over Foam Plastic Insulation, into Chapter 2 on referenced NFPA standards.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The section as written is unenforceable because everything used as interior finish could be construed to be insulation. There are two problems with exposed insulation and the proposed wording addresses both: (a) foam plastic insulation needs to be used behind a thermal barrier, which is a product that complies with NFPA 275 and will protects the insulation from fire exposure and (b) loose-fill insulation cannot be used exposed because it does not have adequate consistency for that purpose.
The new sections address the problem of using foam plastic insulation safely, from the point of view of fire safety. Either it complies with a room-corner test (i.e. NFPA 286, as in 10.1.1.3) or it is covered by a thermal barrier (per NFPA 275) and also complies with at least a Class B (75 flame spread index and 450 smoke developed index in ASTM E84). It has been shown that ASTM E84 is not suitable for testing exposed foam plastic insulation.
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I, Marcelo Hirschler, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 36-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 10.2 ]
10.2 Insulation.Exposed insulation shall not be permitted in animal housing facilities. Insulation that has a radiant reflective barrier intact is acceptable
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The existing standard should be reworded to better defined. Some insulating materials have barriers that contain and protect the insulating materials without additional barriers.
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Public Input No. 26-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 11.3.1.1 [Excluding
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A fire alarm system in accordance with Section 9 . 3 shall be required inaccordance with this subsection.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Manual alarm pull stations can be effective however detections systems are not feasible due to high levels of moisture, and dust that cause a high number of false alarms. It is appropriate to install smoke and heat detectors in areas such as electrical rooms, offices, utility areas, and generator rooms. In our experiance these are the areas that experiance the majority of incipeint stage fires.
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 03 15:42:08 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 37-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 11.3.4 ]
11.3.4 Lightning Protection.Lightning protection shall be required in accordance with Section 9.5 .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Most modern livestock raising facilities have metal roofs and walls making lightning arrestors redundent and ineffective. The electrical systems are grounded.
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 03 17:23:54 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 9-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 11.3.7 ]
11.3.7 Special Requirements for Category A Animals.Class 1 animal housing facilities with Category A animals or horses shall be in accordance with Section 9.8.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
See Substantiation for PI No. 8
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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 150-2013 [Section No. 9.8]
This proposal is dependent on the acceptance of PI No.8
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Submittal Date: Mon Jun 24 16:11:42 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 12.3.7 ]
12.3.7 Special Requirements for Category A Animals.Class 2 animal housing facilities with Category A animals or horses shall be in accordance with Section 9.8.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
See Substantiation for PI No. 8
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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 150-2013 [Section No. 9.8]
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Submittal Date: Mon Jun 24 16:15:12 EDT 2013
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Public Input No. 11-NFPA 150-2013 [ Section No. 13.3.7 ]
13.3.7 Special Requirements for Category A Animals.Class 3 animal housing facilities with Category A animals or horses shall be in accordance with Section 9.8.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
See Substantiation for PI No. 8
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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 150-2013 [Section No. 9.8]
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Submittal Date: Mon Jun 24 16:15:53 EDT 2013
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