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Medical Thoracoscopy When to Choose Over a General Anaesthetic VATS SpR Training Day 07.07.14 Dr Alex West Consultant Chest/Pleural Physician Guy’s and St Thomas’ Hospital

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Page 1: Medical Thoracoscopy - WordPress.com · Medical Thoracoscopy When to Choose Over a General Anaesthetic VATS SpR Training Day 07.07.14 Dr Alex West Consultant Chest/Pleural Physician

Medical Thoracoscopy When to Choose Over a

General Anaesthetic VATS

SpR Training Day

07.07.14

Dr Alex West

Consultant Chest/Pleural Physician

Guy’s and St Thomas’ Hospital

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“Medical” Thoracoscopy?

No… Just Thoracoscopy Invented by a Swedish Physician –

Jacobeus in 1910

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Once you can perform

Thoracoscopy….

…for what indications would you

then refer for VATS?

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A Little History…

• 15 years ago – BTS gave very little time to

Pleural disease…..

• This Winter all sessions had standing room

only…

• What has changed?

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Thoracoscopy for SpRs

• 7 years ago 11 hospitals in UK offered service

- Number now? But rapidly expanding…. As

is training….

• Most hospitals still have to rely on VATS

• Much more common in Europe and USA

• Expanding service and training in the UK

• NB Do not need thoracic surgeons on site

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Work Up

• Medical History

• Physical examination

• Laboratory values

• Chest X-ray

• Pleural Ultrasound

• Guided Pleural Aspiration

• CT Chest (?+Abdo/Pelvis)

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Pleural Ultrasound

• NPSA and new BTS guidelines now

recommended for all pleural procedures

• Essential Pre Thoracoscopy

• Loculations…

• Visceral pleural thickening

• Also guide you – Pleural thickening amenable

for US Guided Trucut Biopsy

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Undiagnosed Unilateral

Pleural Effusion - Aspiration

• Confirm Exudate

• Exclude pleural infection –

• (NB AFB in fluid rarely helpful)

• Cytology….

• Positive in 30-50% Metastatic cancers?

• Mesothelioma – Cytology rarely helpful

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If You Suspect TB….

Abram’s Needle Biopsy

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Light’s Criteria

• Fluid is an exudate if 1 or more are met:

1. Pleural fluid protein divided by total serum

protein > 0.5

2. Pleural fluid LDH divided by serum LDH >

0.6

3. Pleural fluid LDH > two-thirds the upper

limits of normal serum LDH

LDH implies a level of pleural inflammation

~ 95% sensitivity and specificity

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Indications

• Diagnosis of unexplained Exudate When you are starting off….Procedures under LA

should be limited to…

1. Complete aspiration of effusion

2. PARIETAL pleural biopsy under direct vision

3. Break down of simple loculations

4. Talc poudrage and drain placement or IPC

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Contra-indications for Thoracoscopy

ABSOLUTE

• respiratory insuff

• bleeding disorders

• end stage fibrosis

• pulm. hypertension

RELATIVE

• general health status

• no pleural space(?)

• fever

• uncontrolled cough

• unstable cardiovasc status

• hypoxaemia

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The Procedure Set Up

• Where? – Bronch Suite – why not theatre?

• Sterile environment - fully

• Local Anaesthetic – Simple Lignocaine

• Sedation – Midazolam, Fentanyl

• Sats/BP monitoring

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Thoracoscopy – patient’s view

and consent

• Provides 3 functions at one time

– Removes fluid and reduces SOB

– Biopsy under direct vision – make a diagnosis

– Pleurodesis - to prevent recurrence

Complications – Bleeding, Infection, Persistent

Pneumothorax

• For many this will be the first and may be the only “treatment”

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Case

• 84 yo male

• Polish

• AF, on warfarin

• CCF, COPD

• Increasing/persistent Right effusion

• Exudate, negative cytology

• CT – effusion, no other diagnosis

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Post Procedural Care

• Respiratory Ward – trained staff

• Suction – 5, 10, 20cm H2O pressure for 48

hours for best pleurodesis with talc

• Analgesia – paracetamol, opioids,

• (Lignocaine down the drain)

• Avoid NSAIDS (TIME 1 Trial)

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“Ultrasound Confirmed

Pleurodesis”

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Progress

• Day 3 confirmed Ultrasound pleurodesis

• Home with OP FU

• Diagnosis – Epithelioid Mesothelioma

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Potential Complications

• Infection – single dose of Augmentin 1.2g iv

pre procedure?

• Bleeding – rare

• Persistent pneumothorax

• Surgical Emphysema

• Infection – Site or Empyema

• Mesothelioma – tract recurrence –

Prophylactic radiotherapy

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Results (“mine”)

• 200+ procedures

• ~98% diagnostic rate

• Mesothelioma – 40%

• Metastatic Cancers – Lung, Breast

• Lymphomas

• Few TB

• Up to 20% - “Benign” – Follow up for 2 years….

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TALC SAMPLES (x 50)TALC SAMPLES (x 50)

1 2 3

4 5 6

7 8 9

Dr. F. Rodriguez Dr. F. Rodriguez PanaderoPanadero

TALC Graded, French

70% Success rate

for slurry

pleurodesis

NB TAPPS

Study…

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Challenging to pre-diagnose

trapped lung…

- CT

- Pleural Manometry

- Visual….?

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Trapped Lung….

Can be hard to predict visually…..

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Indwelling Pleural Catheter - IPC

• Tunnelled drains for recurrent pleural effusion that have failed pleurodesis

• Or for trapped lung at thoracoscopy (Pleural Manometry, CT findings, Visually)

• Separate hole/Tunnel

• Allows Day Case Procedure

• Subsequent Outpatient Talc Slurry Pleurodesis

• May well undergo “auto-pleurodesis”

• Can remain in permanently but often pleurodesis obtained in weeks – months

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So who should go for VATS?

NB – We do run a joint clinic weekly

with Thoracic Surgery…

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Indications for VATS

• They need to be fit enough for GA

• Patient “Choice” – anxiety, poor compliance

• Malignant trapped lung for decortication

• ?Complex Empyema – NB Intrapleural tPA

and DNase….

• Recurrent pneumothorax

• Visceral biopsy/wedge etc

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Advantages of Thoracoscopy

• Day Case – (with IPC or no drain?)

• Short Stay - Talc poudrage 2 days

• VATS – 4-5 days

• Frail/Elderly – well tolerated

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“Advanced” Thoracoscopy

• Minimal or No effusion – induce

pneumothorax, Boutin needle

• Complex/multiloculated effusions

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How to Learn?

• Thoracic Ultrasound and course

• Recommend “Lille” Course

• Increasing training at regional hospitals

• Worth attending theatres with thoracic

surgeons at teaching hospitals

• Number needed?

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Thank You

Any Questions?