HEALING WITH THE MASTERS™ PRESENTS VOLUME VIIauthor, with Lester Levenson, of Happiness Is Free, And It’s Easier Than You Think, a five‐book series. Welcome Hale Dwoskin to Healing

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Jennifer: I want to welcome everyone to Healing With the Masters. It’s Tuesday, March 22nd. That’s

what it is, and we are very excited about tonight’s show. We have someone who has been doing some wonderful work on the planet for many, many years, and we’ve been really thrilled and talking about him and gossiping about what he’s going to do for us tonight. It’s Hale Dwoskin. Hale is the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Sedona Method: Your Key to Lasting Happiness, Success, Peace and Emotional Well‐Being. Hale is one of the 24 teachers from the movie The Secret and a founding member of the Transformational Leadership Council. He is the CEO and director of training for Sedona Training Associates, an organization headquartered in Sedona, Arizona. He co‐founded the company in 1996 to teach courses based on the emotional releasing techniques originated by his mentor, Lester Levenson. Hale is an international speaker and featured faculty member at Esalen and the Omega Institute. For over a quarter of a century, Hale has regularly been teaching the Sedona Method to individuals and corporations throughout the United States and the United Kingdom and leading facilitator trainings and advanced retreats in Sedona since the early 1990s. He is also the co‐author, with Lester Levenson, of Happiness Is Free, And It’s Easier Than You Think, a five‐book series. Welcome Hale Dwoskin to Healing With the Masters. It’s so special having you here on the show and sharing your wonderful work and program.

Hale: It’s great to be here. I really appreciate the opportunity to share with your audience. Jennifer: Thank you. We’re always looking, on Healing With the Masters, for systems that allow us to let

go, and I know that Sedona Method has been doing that for decades now. Why don’t you start by telling us a little bit about what the Sedona Method is?

Hale: Sure. The Sedona Method is a simple and powerful and easy‐to‐learn and easy‐to‐do technique

that shows you how to tap your natural ability, to let go of stress, tension, anxiety, self‐doubt, sabotaging behaviors. Anything that’s basically holding you back on any level can be quickly, easily and joyously dissolved, and it’s a way for you to eliminate the obstacles to having more money by letting go of all that excess baggage that says you can’t. It’s a way to eliminate your obstacles to feeling the way you want to feel by simply letting go of the heaviness and the contraction and the fear and the anxiety and the depression and everything else that we often meditate or run away from. This is a way to simply let it go, and it’s a way for you to have more loving relationships by letting go of whatever it is that’s blocking you from being the love that you are. Even though we’re not medical — we don’t treat people or diagnose or cure — it’s a way for you to let go of the stress, the tension, the anxiety that causes dis‐ease in the body. It’s all based on something that’s completely natural. Everyone does this naturally except very rarely, but when you use the Sedona Method, you can make something that only occasionally happens by accident something you can do consciously whenever you need it. It makes a huge difference in your life.

Jennifer: You talk about that we tap the natural ability to release self‐sabotaging behaviors, and some of

us, who are really, really good at self‐sabotage, we don’t think we have a natural ability. So exactly what is this natural ability, and then the follow‐on question is what is letting go?


Hale: I’ll answer both questions. First off, what’s this natural ability? Let me just describe first off

what it feels like to let go. If you can remember the last time you had a really good belly laugh, you know how good that felt, and you know how when you’re trying to cheer someone up, one of the ways you do it is you try to make them laugh, because our body minds have these built‐in mechanisms that help keep us sane. One of them is laughter, and laughter is one of the ways that we do this naturally. But again, it’s not always appropriate to laugh. In the middle of a business meeting, when the deal is going south, you don’t break into a belly laugh unless you want to be thrown out of the room. When your husband or wife is yelling at you, you don’t start laughing. It might result in fisticuffs, but laughter is one of the ways that we already do this naturally. Also, another way — we are born with this natural ability. If you’ve ever been around young children, you know that they’re so spontaneous, so open and so natural, that they’re letting go all the time. They can have a knock‐down drag‐out fight with their best friend, say, “I’m never going to talk to you again,” and then ten minutes later, they’re playing like nothing happened.

Jennifer: Right. Hale: They both let it go. We as adults have just forgotten how to play well with our friends. Now

we go to war instead of just simply let go. The other thing is, have you ever seen a young child fall down and then look around to see if they need to be upset?

Jennifer: Yes. Hale: Well, that’s because children still know that they have a choice whether to be upset about

what happened in life. If there’s no reason to be upset, like they don’t catch anyone’s eye, there’s no approval to be milked from the situation, they get up and continue as though nothing’s happened. If they catch someone’s eye, you can watch them right in front of you manufacturing an upset. Then they get one little kiss on their knee or on their head or wherever it is that has the ouchy, and they let go again. We unfortunately program each other out of this. The way it happens is — this is kind of a funny joke, but I’m sure you’ve heard this before. For the first couple of years of life, everyone is trying to get us to walk and talk, and then for the next 18 years or so, everyone is trying to get us to sit down and shut up.

Jennifer: Yeah, that was my life. Hale: Well, it’s everyone’s life, and it’s not like anyone’s doing anything wrong. The only way

children can fit into an adult world is to act more like an adult. Unfortunately the second part of the adult is dult. We actually get dull as we age, because we suppress our natural exuberance. We suppress our love of life. We suppress our spontaneity. We suppress our natural ability to let go and be present with what’s actually present in this moment. The good news is when you get re‐in‐touch with this natural ability as an adult, you can never lose it again. It’s just there. You keep all the wisdom you’ve gained from life, but you start to live that lovely, joyful experience of what life was like before you had all these responsibilities. You can still have the responsibilities and still feel that love and joy and ease inside. I’m not speaking from theory here. This is something that not only have I experienced, but thousands of people all over the world experience the same thing as they let go. You also asked what is letting go, so let me explain in a way that I think will make it easier for everyone. Unless you’re in a car listening on a cell phone, in which case, just imagine this, but if you’re listening on your computer or a land line and you’re not moving, then pick up a pen or pencil and hold it in your hand. For the sake of this analogy, this pen or pencil — or you can use a coin or a paperclip or a key, whatever you feel comfortable dropping into your lap or the floor or your desk, whatever you want — for the sake of this analogy, this object represents your fear, your


frustration, your anger, your anxiety, your tension and whatever it is that’s holding you back from feeling the way you’d like to feel and having, being and doing whatever you choose. Most of us don’t realize how much we’re holding ourselves back all the time. We just don’t even notice it, and it also represents all our beliefs about ourselves, our belief I don’t know how to succeed, our belief I’m a failure, our belief I’m not good enough, our belief I need someone else to fill me up, all the beliefs that are holding us back. Your hand represents your gut or your awareness. Now, close your hand around this object. Grip it really tightly. Now, if you did this long enough, it would start to feel really uncomfortable and then really familiar, because this is what we’re doing all the time with our emotions. That’s enough gripping. Open your hand and roll the object around in your hand. Now, notice the object isn’t attached to your hand. That’s really obvious, but it isn’t as obvious to most of us with our beliefs about ourselves and our thoughts and feelings. We don’t realize that they’re as attached to us as this object is attached to our hand. It’s even in our language. We don’t usually say, “I feel fear.” We say, “I’m afraid.” We don’t usually say, “I’m feeling angry.” We say, “I’m angry.” We don’t usually say, “This was not successful.” We say, “I’m a failure.” We actually believe that, and we forget that it’s not attached to us. Now, close your hand lightly around the object. Turn your hand upside down, and then could you just let it go? You just drop it. That’s what we mean by letting go, and that’s how easy it can be to let go of any uncomfortable or unwanted feeling on the spot. Whether you’re had it for 30 seconds or you’ve had it for 30 years, you can still let go of it that easily once you know how.

Jennifer: Wow. I just let go of a really big thing, just through the analogy. Hale: By the way, that’s normal. That’s why I do the analogy, because most people forget that

feelings are just feelings. They’re not facts, and they’re not you, and you can let them go. You think about how we relate to our feelings. We often relate to them as though they’re facts. How many times have you heard something through the grapevine or from somebody else and you’ve made a whole story up about it, a whole conclusion and acted as though it was true without ever checking it, and then when you finally discover the truth, the whole feeling had nothing to do with what was actually happening. That happens to us all the time. It happens to governments too. It’s why we have so much trouble, and we also forget that we can let go, that they’re not us, and we can let them go. When we remember that they’re not us and we can let them go and they’re not facts, if you just take that away from this conversation, it’s a huge relief. You’ll find that you’ll start doing this spontaneously and naturally. Of course our programs and everything we do is designed to accelerate the process and make it much more available and on‐call whenever you need it, but because it’s natural, just hearing this will start to shift things.

Jennifer: I love this notion of these are feelings not facts. It reminds me of a story. This is something in

my work with individuals too, that people get — and I’ve done this myself, where I’ve gotten stuck in the story of what happened to me. Is that part of this notion, that even that story of what happened to us isn’t really us? It’s something that happened to us, but it’s not who we are. Is it the same kind of notion?

Hale: It’s totally the same. Also, we don’t realize that our stories aren’t the truth. If you watch, when

you tell someone a story — I’m not just talking about you personally but everyone listening to us. If you recall some of your favorite stories and if you’re honest with yourself, you’ll notice that you change the story every time you tell it. It depends on the audience. It depends on your mood. It depends on the response you’re getting. You embellish or take things away, and you actually believe you’re still telling the same story, but you’re not. Stories are never the truth. They’re a description of an impression of what was. They’re not even a description of what actually happened.


They’re a description of a filtered impression of what happened, and it’s usually very distorted. We don’t even realize that. You can have such a story that you can actually believe you said or did something the opposite of what you’ve actually done. I know I’ve had that experience, and everyone I know has had that experience, where you thought you were saying or doing one thing, and people report back to you, “No, that’s now what you said. You said the opposite,” or, “You did the opposite.” You don’t even realize that, because again, we believe our stories. We don’t challenge our stories, and we think we are our stories. In my experience, what you are is beyond any story. It doesn’t need a story to be, and that’s really good news, because if you’re not a story, then you can stop telling yourself all these stories. You can start just allowing yourself to be present with what is present in this moment, which in my experience is exquisitely beautiful.

Jennifer: I’d like to go into, first of all, this notion of filtered impressions of what happens. So

basically, we have this internal belief that acts as a filter of what happened to us that now acts as a filter of what’s going to happen to us. Is that kind of the idea?

Hale: Exactly. A lot of us just think that we need to have better beliefs. I’ve experienced

that that’s a total waste of time. Jennifer: Cool. Elaborate on that. Hale: I mean, a lot of people teach that; you just need to change your beliefs. Well, the

problem with changing beliefs, it’s like if you are sitting by a picture window, looking out at a beautiful scene, what a belief is, is you’ve painted the scene on the window. So you’re no longer seeing the scene, you’re seeing the painting of the scene, which may still be beautiful, but it’s not the same. Most of us actually do have this beautiful nature scene out the window, which is called life, but we’ve painted this horror scene on top. If you simply spray paint a happy face on top of that, you’re still not perceiving what’s actually there, and you’ll do and say things that are totally distorted, based on this image that you’ve projected. Another way of describing it is very simple. If your life is full of crap at the moment, painting a happy face on top of it is not going to make it. That’s crappy.

Jennifer: That’s pretty much the definition of repression, isn’t it? Hale: Exactly, but unfortunately what I’ve seen is that’s how a lot of people work with

positive thinking and the lure of attraction. They wonder why it backfires. Because they’re trying to deny what their real experience is. It’s better facing what’s actually there now, letting go of your response to it, clearing the space to create something much more positive. We go, “Cancel, cancel. I can’t say that, because that’s negative.” Well, that’s a surefire way to get yourself into a tremendous amount of trouble. So the solution, if you have layers of paint on the window, is to remove the paint. Then you see what’s actually here, and believe it or not, in my experience, and this is working with people all over the world, it’s always better than what you’ve painted, even if you have a beautiful painting. Again, if you’re looking at this beautiful view of a sunset over the ocean with trees and all this other kind of stuff and then you take a painting that you painted on the window, it’s not going to have the same light


and life as the scene itself. Again, would you rather believe you have a million dollars, or would you rather have it in your bank? Would you rather believe you have the perfect relationship, or would you rather be living with him or her? Would you rather believe you have your ideal health, or would you rather be experiencing it every moment?

Jennifer: This is really, really, really cool. So we’ve got these filtered impressions that make us

believe certain things, but we don’t necessarily need to change the beliefs. We let go of the response. Did I hear that right?

Hale: Yes. Well, no. We not only let go of the response. The belief itself is dissolvable,

because it’s not true. Jennifer: So it’s not adding a new belief. It’s actually dissolving the old belief. Hale: Exactly, and again, in my experience, underneath all the beliefs is always something

better than our belief. In my experience, what you are right here, right now, is already omniscient, is already all power, is already everywhere present. You can’t really outdo that, although we try.

Jennifer: We try and claim all kinds of fun stuff that we aren’t. Hale: Exactly, but what we are is actually better than our best picture. So when you’re

willing to let go of all the excess baggage, the stuff you know is negative but you’re also willing to let go of all your attempts to impose a positive image on top, what you discover is that underneath all the problems is beauty. Underneath all the problems is opportunity. Underneath all the problems is power. Underneath all the problems is light. Underneath all the problems is love. Underneath all the problems is all the knowledge that you need in this moment, and it’s very easy to uncover. In my experience, most of us think that if you go too deep inside, it’s terrible in there. It’s just awful, so we live life treading water. We stay on the surface, but in my experience, if you go beyond the obvious, what you find is always exquisitely beautiful. It’s always available right here, right now.

Jennifer: So you said that we are better, we are omniscient, and we are better than our best

picture. Hale: Yes. Jennifer: I immediately kind of felt on the call some people saying, “Not me. Maybe Jennifer,

maybe a couple of other folks on the call but not me.” What do you say to those folks?

Hale: Again, that’s totally natural. That’s why we cling to the painting on the window,

because that’s what we know. That’s what we think we are. We think we’re that muddy image. We think we’re our feeling of I can’t, I don’t know how, I’m afraid. We think we are all the stories we’ve made up about why we failed in the past and why we’re going to fail again now.


Jennifer: Some of that is unconscious, though, isn’t it? Hale: Of course. Jennifer: We’re not even aware of it. Hale: Yes, of course, but the way you can find what’s unconscious is notice what’s

presenting. If what’s presenting in this moment when you hear about this possibility — two things will present. One is there will be an inner resonance, because you know what I’m saying is true. Even those of you who are fighting it know that. The other thing that presents when you hear things like this is all the mind’s attempt to stay in charge. The mind is an amazing servant, but it is a terrible master.

Jennifer: That’s beautiful. I love that description. The mind is a terrible master but a powerful

servant. Hale: Invaluable. I mean, computers wouldn’t be here. This whole thing wouldn’t be

possible. Telephones — there’s so many inventions that came from using the mind constructively. There’s nothing wrong with the mind. A lot of people here make the mind the enemy. The mind is not the enemy, but what we do is we put in all this garbage into our minds, and we get garbage back. On computers it’s garbage in, garbage out. Unfortunately most of us just try to feed more garbage, hoping we’re going to get something different out, and also we think we’re just a computer. Just like you’re not the computer that you’re sitting in front of, if you’re sitting in front of a computer, or the last time you were, you’re not your mind. Your mind is your servant. Your mind is a tool. Your mind is a way of perceiving, but it isn’t who you are. It’s just a tool, and it can be used constructively, or it can be used destructively. The choice is yours.

Jennifer: And sometimes it doesn’t feel like a choice, but I’m hearing from you that it’s all a

choice, just as that description you had of the child who looks around and manufactures an upset. We have that same choice in any given moment.

Hale: Exactly, and again, please don’t take my word for it. Everyone listening to this, don’t

just accept this on face value. Just be open to this as a possibility, and then start exploring it in your own way. If you’re open to this, you’ll discover that no matter how much your mind screams, “You can’t,” there’s actually another way. If you’ll discover that even if you think there’s only one possibility and that possibility is not what you want, there’s always another way, there’s always infinite possibilities. When we think there’s only one or two, we’re missing infinity. So what happens is, if you’re willing to just let go of all the thoughts, all the feelings, all the beliefs that are telling you, “No, you can’t,” you’ll discover that there’s something right beyond it, not far away. It doesn’t take a long time either. Again, one of the challenges is most of us think we’re going to have to work for years or months or lifetimes to make any dent in this accumulation of suffering and negative belief, but I’ve seen people in minutes turn around lifetime tendencies using the processes that we teach, again, because they’re based on what’s natural and because they’re very, very simple. Most processes


designed to help you let go are incredibly intellectual and very complex, and so they’re very hard to do in the moment when you need it. They’re also very hard to stick with, because you have to just trust that over time it will make a positive difference. We ask people don’t trust this. Be open to it as a possibility, but don’t believe it. Don’t trust it. Try it in your life. Take it for a test drive internally and see what happens, because we’re confident that you’ll see amazing results.

Jennifer: So try it out. We’re getting a lot of questions now about, “Okay, how, how, how?” Hale: Let me start showing how. Jennifer: Great, thank you. Hale: I would love to share some processes in this call that people can use right away so that

they don’t — we are of course going to have some wonderful offers at the end of the call, but whether or not you decide to take advantage of them, I want to give you something that you can use right now and from now on. The first one is an incredibly simple process that is one of the basic processes that we teach in our movie and in our programs, in our seminars. Part of the reason it’s as powerful as it is, is because it’s so simple. If I was going to tell you how to breathe in, I would say, “Breathe in; breathe out. Repeat as necessary.” There’s nothing that could be much simpler than that. Also how much thinking do you do about breathing? None. In fact, when you start thinking about breathing is when you get into trouble.

Jennifer: Right. Uh‐oh. There’s a whole bunch of people thinking about breathing now. Hale: You won’t get into trouble. Don’t worry. I mean, when you’re worried about your

breathing, then sometimes you get into trouble, but the truth is that because children do this naturally, they don’t need a formula. We as adults need a simple formula that we can follow, so please be open to the simplicity of what I’m about to share with you. That’s part of the reason it’s as powerful as it is, and let me just tell you just some of the things that have happened with this formula I’m about to share. The first thing is we have — I know many people have great abundance, but I know of one specific man, who did this process we’re about to do on money, because he was feeling very poor, and he didn’t have a lot of money in the bank. He had totally forgotten an investment he had done 20 years earlier. He basically had written it off, and he spent the entire day letting go, using this process, and the very next day, his friend called him up. He said, “Hi. You remember me?” He said, “Oh, yeah. You’re the person I gave this money to, and I knew I’d never see it again.” He said, “Well, guess what. The company went public, and your investment is now worth over a million dollars.”

Jennifer: Not typical results. Hale: Exactly. Another example is a woman realized that she had been really angry at

someone in her family for ten years because they had borrowed this money from her and never gave it back. It was like $40,000, and she basically had written it off. She decided to release the anger, not to get the money back but just because she was tired of carrying around that burden of anger. She totally let it go, and within minutes the


phone rang. The person had come into some money and was wanting to pay her back. We’ve had people who have had longstanding fears and phobias dissolve in minutes. We’ve had people who couldn’t not be angry turn into pussycats, and that’s just a small example of what’s possible.

Jennifer: Yeah. In your book you talk about some of the companies that use this system and

their sales increase exponentially from their sales reps doing this. Hale: Oh, yeah. Again, using a very similar technique, we taught the Mutual of New York

Company, years ago — we taught a group of their field underwriters. By the way, I don’t know why this is, but every organization has a euphemism for their salespeople.

Jennifer: Those sales folks. Hale: We’re very maligned, salespeople. Basically they’re insurance salesmen. They took a

control group, and they took a group through the Sedona Method. The group that took the Sedona Method outperformed the control group by 33 percent, which if you know anything about sales training, that’s a huge amount. Those sales trainers were ecstatic if they got 5 or 10 percent increase, but they also don’t want you to test it later on. They want you to test it right away. So what happened is — this is a six‐month study, broken into two three‐month parts. So the first three months, the results went up 22 percent. The second three months, the results went up 44 percent. The results actually increased exponentially over time. The average was 33 percent, but how many times have you done something and had it increase over time?

Jennifer: Yeah. It’s usually the effect of after the workshop high effect, and then it’s over. Hale: Exactly. Jennifer: So this is something that actually continues. Hale: Because it’s something you’re doing. It’s not some mysterious experience that you go

through that you can’t duplicate on your own. It’s very simple, something you can do over and over again on your own, so it can really make a huge difference in every part of your life. So enough said about the process. Let’s actually do something. The process, I’m going to describe it, and then I’ll take us through it. This is, again, just one of the simple processes that we teach in our program. It’s not the whole thing. We’ll cover as much as we can, but I wanted to give something right away.

Jennifer: Thank you. Hale: So what you do is you think about some issue. It doesn’t matter what it’s about. Then

what you do is you just allow yourself to welcome or allow whatever you’re feeling about it. That’s already counterintuitive. Most of us are resisting or suppressing or fighting against our emotions all the time. We’re just saying, “No, no, no, no. I don’t want to feel that.” Because of that, it sticks around, and it gets really uncomfortable. So just simply allowing yourself to feel the way you feel, even for a minute, really will start to produce some relaxation inside. So the first thing you do is you just allow


yourself to welcome what you’re feeling. Then we ask just three questions. The first question is could you let it go? If you were able to drop that object that we dropped a few minutes ago or you could even imagine dropping an object, I know you can. I also know based on the experience of hundreds of thousands of people all over the planet. The next question, after could you let it go, is would you let it go. Would you just means are you willing to. It’s really just a matter of willingness. If you’re ever struggling with your willingness to let something go, you can ask yourself, “Would I rather hold on to this pain, this suffering, this problem, or would I rather be free and have my goal?” Usually you’d rather be free. By the way, if the answer is ever no, that’s totally okay. In my experience, even when you say no to any of these questions, letting go happens anyway, because it’s simpler than any process. Then the last question is when. When is an invitation to decide to do it now, just like you had to decide to open your hand to let go of the pen or pencil or object. So all I recommend is that you do it on a feeling level as best you can, following your heart maybe just a little more than you usually follow your heart and follow your head maybe a little less than you usually do. I don’t want you to try to shut your mind off or your head down, because you’ll just fight. You’ll get into an argument with yourself, and there’s no reason to. Just do this as best you can.

Jennifer: Okay. Hale: Great. So let’s do the process together. In this moment, allow yourself to think of

something in your life that you’ve been wanting to change or improve, something with your money, something with your health, something with relationships or something where you just want to feel better.

Jennifer: Okay. Hale: By the way, I’m going to do this with everybody, so you don’t have to answer out loud.

That way everyone can follow along. Jennifer: Perfect. Thanks, Hale. Hale: I also don’t want to put you on the spot. Jennifer: Thanks for that too. Other seekers aren’t as generous. Hale: I’ll start again. I don’t want to distract you or your audience. Again, in this moment,

think of some situation in your life that you’ve been wanting to change or improve. Then in this moment, could you allow yourself to welcome whatever feeling that brings up inside of you if you just let it be here as best you can? Then as best you can, just for now, could you let it go? Just could you? Would you? When? Now you’re probably already feeling lighter, but let’s run through this a couple more times, because you may not be sure, or you may be making it a little more difficult than it needs to be, or you might have been going, “Come on. Those questions can’t really reduce the kind of thing I’m feeling in here. That’s impossible.” All that’s fine. You don’t need to stop it. You don’t need to change it. You don’t need to do anything about it. Just let it be there too. So again, allow yourself to think of that same


situation or some other situation in your life that you’ve been wanting to change or improve. Then as best you can, just for now, could you just welcome the feeling? Welcome whatever it brings up inside you, and then also as best you can, just for now, could you let it go? Just could you? Would you? When? Now you probably feel a little lighter or a lot lighter, or maybe you’re not sure. Don’t worry about it. Again, lead with your heart as best you can. So let’s do that one more time. Again, focus on that same situation or some other situation in your life that you’ve been wanting to change or improve. Then as best you can, just for now, could you let that feeling go? Just could you? Would you? When? Okay. So again, if you were doing this on your own, you would keep asking yourself these same questions until you got the kind of relief you’re looking for. Again, it doesn’t have to take much longer than this to see a profound result, and if you’re struggling at all, just stick with it. In my experience, just a little practice with this, it gets really simple and natural to do. Then you’ll find you’ll be letting go even without having to ask the questions. The other thing is, when you’re doing it on your own, you could ask, “Could I let it go? Would I, and when,” or you could say, “Could you let it go? Would you, and when,” whichever feels better to you.

Jennifer: Wow. It’s very simple, and yet it’s very powerful. Hale: Yes. Jennifer: It feels like what it’s doing for me is bringing my attention inward. It feels like I’m

allowing myself and kind of nudging myself to explore within a little deeper. That was my personal experience of it.

Hale: Yes. That’s definitely part of what it does. It clears — again, most of us keep ourselves

on the surface, because we’re afraid of the pain that most of us carry inside. We don’t really want to deal with it. We just run faster when things hurt. That’s the nature of our society, but if we would slow down long enough to feel what we’re feeling and let it go, we wouldn’t have to rush through life. The funny thing is, we get things done much more quickly and easily. Most of us are busy rushing through life, and we’re missing what’s actually here now. We forget that right here, right now, first off, is all there is. Secondarily, it’s the only time you can do anything about anything. Most of us are so busy either backing through life, looking at what was or what could have been or running through life, trying to get closer to our goals, that we’re tripping over them now. Now is almost an annoyance.

Jennifer: Yeah. I have to eat and drink. Geez. Hale: Oh, I know. It’s so much work. Jennifer: So much work. Hale: Exactly, but it isn’t really. Jennifer: No. It also seems like we don’t have to go into the drama of the “issue,” that we just

acknowledge the feeling of it.


Hale: Absolutely. Jennifer: We don’t have to go in the circle and circle downward spiral into the drama of what

happened. Hale: Exactly. Again, that’s part of the beauty of this process, is you don’t need to know why

you feel the way you feel in order to let it go. You don’t need to know where it came from or how old you were or who did what to whom. All that, in my experience, if you need to know it, it will come up as you let go. You’ll get insights about where it came from, but so many of us spend so much time wanting to figure out why we feel the way we feel, wanting to figure out why things aren’t working, that we don’t let go. We’re holding on until we get the answer, and we can hold on forever waiting to get the answer. But if you let go first, the answer, if it’s necessary, will come. If it’s not, the problem’s gone, so who cares?

Jennifer: Exactly. Hale: In fact, there’s something funny about letting go, I mean, about wanting to figure out

that the only reason we want to understand or figure out our problems is because we’re going to have them again.

Jennifer: It’s a plan. Hale: Exactly. So when you let go, you can make new plans. Jennifer: So it becomes our excuse. Hale: Yes. It becomes an excuse, and again, we don’t consciously go, “Gee, I need an excuse

to suffer today.” Most of us don’t do that, but it has become an excuse for some of us. We have some trauma in our past. We had disappointment in our past. We had failed relationships in our past. We had businesses that didn’t go the way we wanted it to, and we let ourselves be beaten down by life. We don’t need to do that. We always have a choice in this moment of how we respond to whatever is happening in this moment. The past does not need to dictate what’s happening now, and the more you let go of all the burdens, the baggage you’re carrying from the past, the more the beauty and the power of the present reveals itself to itself. Again, the now always contains the answer. The now is always taking care of itself. The now actually is not something you can even get out of. A lot of us spend a lot of time and energy trying to get into the now, so let’s do something fun instead. In this moment, see if you can get out of the now. Go ahead and try and get out of the now. You can’t.

Jennifer: No. Hale: You really cannot get out of the now, because the now is all there is. So all this effort

to get into the now is a waste of time. It’s just distraction. Jennifer: It’s a waste of now.


Hale: Well, you can’t really waste now, because that’s all there is, but yes. It’s kind of a

distraction from what’s actually here now. Now, some of the people listening to us, will go, “Well, I was able to think of the past.” Yes, of course. You can think of the past, and you can think of the future, but when does thinking happen?

Jennifer: Now. Hale: Now. The only time anyone has ever experienced ever is now. Jennifer: It’s really interesting. Something interesting is happening for me, and it feels like a lot

of the callers, because I’m kind of feeling into the energy — it feels like all of us just joined the now.

Hale: Yes. Jennifer: It’s like we didn’t try. We didn’t work at it. We just are now in a more present place. Hale: Exactly, and again, did you work at it? No, because it’s natural. The now is all there is.

By the way, any time you forget that, try to get out of the now. I’m serious about that. It will make you wail, because it’s impossible.

Jennifer: Yeah. It just kind of hurts my brain. So it feels like when we’re going through it, these

wonderful, very simple questions bring us into an internal understanding of ourselves without having to go into the drama. You talked about rushing, and you talked about responding. It feels like this kind of slows down life. It actually creates space, and you said that — is that kind of why we are able to maybe have more grace and ease in our lives and maybe even have more successes in our life?

Hale: Oh, yeah. Jennifer: Because we have this sense of slowing down and this space that’s present? Hale: Yes. What there is or what you are is already beyond time. It’s timeless, and it’s

infinite. So what happens is, as you let go of your trauma, drama and your projections on the future and regrets from the past, the now reveals itself to itself. What happens is you find that, because you’re rushing, you’re actually doing things more quickly and easily because you’re not pushing the river. The river carries you. Most of us don’t realize that there’s this incident energy flowing through the now every moment like a river, and it’s a big river. Most of us are either swimming against the current, or we’re gripping to whatever rock we pass, and we’re getting buffeted about by the river. When you allow yourself to just let go, the universe takes care of you. The universe carries you. You feel like you have infinite energy. It’s like wind behind your sails or just water carrying you along the flow of life, and it’s so much easier winning life that way that in sports they talk about this all the time, being in the flow. If you’ve ever talked to great athletes, what happens is, what being in the flow is, is they’re not thinking about what’s happening. They’re just doing what they’re doing when they’re doing it, and they’re not doing what they’re not doing when they’re not doing it.


They’re so fully engaged in what’s happening that they forget the struggle, forget the effort. Now, of course all the practice they did before takes — that’s when the rubber meets the road, and you can see the fruits of your labor. But you don’t practice during the game. You play the game during the game, but what most of us are doing is we’re practicing living. That doesn’t work.

Jennifer: It’s not fun either, practice. Hale: No, it isn’t. It’s just work. Jennifer: Yes. Right, so we don’t have to work at life. We get to be carried by our life. Hale: Exactly. Jennifer: And if we release these things, these old beliefs, and allow just a better understanding,

I mean, these questions are just so simple. Could you let it go? Would you let it go? When? Those simple questions allow us the space then to be carried by life instead of executing life, instead of working at life, instead of pushing life.

Hale: Exactly. The other thing that happens is not only does it liberate the energy so that

you’re carried; it also liberates your intuitive knowingness. Everyone of us knows that all the answers are inside, and we forget. We go looking for answers in all the wrong places, the same places we go looking for love, outside of ourselves, but as you let go, you uncover your intuitive knowingness. Everyone has had moments of intuition, and unfortunately many of us ignore them, because our intuition and our reactive emotions can often feel the same. We can have a deep intuitive knowingness about something, and then on top of that we have upset, because we don’t like what we know. So what happens is, as you do this process, as you let go, you’ll be able to tell the difference between what’s your intuition or your intuitive knowingness and what’s just a reaction, because if it’s intuitive knowingness and you let go, then it just gets quieter and clearer. If it’s just a reaction and you let go, it’s gone. So what happens is, as you let go, not only are you carried by the river of life, but you open yourself to that part of yourself that has all knowledge, all knowingness.

Jennifer: So we can see the signs that are blinking at us on the side of the river and people that

are waving at us that we wouldn’t be able to see because our head’s down in the boat. Hale: Exactly. We see when there are rapids, and we see when it’s smooth. We see the

whole picture. Again, everything becomes easier because of that. Jennifer: The nature of the river in life doesn’t necessarily change. Hale: No. Jennifer: The challenges don’t change, and pain and suffering don’t necessarily abate

completely.


Hale: Let me say something about pain and suffering. Physical pain can actually be released, and suffering is optional. What I mean by that is we suffer because we identify with our traumas and dramas. That’s the only reason we suffer. If it was happening to someone else, we might feel empathetic, but we wouldn’t suffer the same way. The truth is nothing ever happens to you. You are what allows for the dance of life to happen. You’re not just one dancer. You’re the entire dance. So what happens is, as you let go, you’re not only letting go of the excess baggage of suffering from the past. In an accelerated, progressive way, you lose your ability to suffer. Now, by the way, those of you listening who are attached to suffering, please do not go any further, because if you really would prefer to suffer, then you won’t like this.

Jennifer: Stop now if you like suffering. Hale: Stop now if you like suffering, because the more you let go, the harder it is to suffer,

because the more you recognize that suffering is optional, that you can always let it go. The more you discover the truth of who you are, that you’re not these stories and these beliefs about yourself, the harder it is to suffer and the easier it is to live life in love with life and joy with it each moment, literally actually even in peace, even in trauma and drama when that still unfolds. So yes. The river doesn’t always flow in a straight line. Because we’re barely keeping our head above the river most of the time, we don’t see that it’s always going towards our final destination. We only see where the river is at the moment, and so we’ll miss the fact that it’s going to end up exactly where we need to be and that where we are in this moment, is exactly where we need to be. Again, as you let go, the other thing that happens is your mind becomes your friend. So you’ll also not only have clear intuition, but you’ll start to have clear reason. So it’s not about abandoning your reasoning capability. It’s just that most of us have over‐worked it, and we don’t realize when we’re being worked over by flawed reasoning. So when you let go, your reason becomes like crystal. It’s just very clear what the right steps are for whatever the project is, because you’re able to access all the information that’s available to you right here, right now. Everything becomes easier.

Jennifer: It’s interesting, because I’ve been playing for about nine months or so with this notion

that the mind is our partner, that the heart and the mind are partners. The heart is the one that should be the leader, and the mind can bring us these beautiful, juicy tidbits of content that allow us, in three‐dimensional reality, to create a really cool life.

Hale: Yeah. Jennifer: Is that kind of the same idea that you have? Hale: Yes. It’s very similar. I 100 percent agree. In my experience, the heart actually is in

the lead, but we live in a society that pretends the mind is in charge. Jennifer: That’s right, and that’s where we get into trouble. Hale: Yeah. We get into huge trouble, but even physiologically, there are more nerves going

from the heart to the brain, passing information in that direction, than from the brain


to the heart. There’s more and more body of knowledge, based on scientific study, that the heart actually responds first, and then the brain responds afterwards, making up a whole story about what the heart already knew. Also, even our activities, the thoughts in our mind — like if you think, “I’m going to lift my arm,” you’ve already lifted your arm before you think, “I’m going to lift my arm.” That happens a fraction of a second afterwards. So the heart’s already in charge.

Jennifer: So this process allows us to allow the heart to be in charge, and it’s really cool. I love

it, because we’re not forcing the mind to be wrong. We’re not forcing the mind to be quiet. We’re just asking the right questions to make that happen.

Hale: Exactly. Yeah, because force doesn’t work. I mean, you can succeed through effort

and will only for a certain amount of time. Then it all comes crashing down around you. Everyone has had that experience. You push; you push; you push, and then everything explodes, because you’ve been pushing so hard, either internally with some sort of disease or inner struggle or trauma or externally where all the things you’ve been pushing, finally the world pushes back. But if you stop pushing, again, if you wire all that infinite energy that you are, that river of life, to carry you, then you don’t need to push anymore. It also doesn’t mean you have to throw out your rudder. You just don’t have to force things to happen. You allow things to happen, and so instead of just working on personal energy — personal energy is finite, and it’s very, very limited. That’s why we feel exhausted at the end of the day, because we’re suppressing our infinity and running on personal energy. When you let go, you have infinite energy, and it’s not personal. It’s impersonal, and because it’s impersonal, there are no boundaries. There are no limits.

Jennifer: The notion of the river, just the analogy just keeps reminding me of when you’re in

rapids. I used to do white water kayaking, and the worst thing you can do in a rapid is try and fight it.

Hale: Oh, yeah. That’s right. Exactly. Jennifer: You allow it, and it’s the same with life. You allow it to carry you, but we can become

more allowing by releasing, by letting go, what you said, that beautiful moment where I let go of the pen.

Hale: Exactly. Jennifer: I felt it kinesthetically in my body, that something did let go. Hale: Yes, exactly. Even in martial arts, there’s some martial arts where they tighten up the

body, but there’s very few. Most martial arts are a combination of yielding with firmness, and that’s what we need to do in life. It’s a balance of yin and yang, the yin of allowing yourself to be carried and the firmness of being clear on what it is that you’d like to create, the firmness of sticking to your own integrity, the firmness of looking inside for the answers as opposed to looking outside for the answers. So that combination is brilliantly powerful. It’s much easier than just letting life run you over, which some of us do. We’re not letting life carry us. The life is beating the crap out of


us because it’s running us over, and on the other side, we’re being beat up by life because we’re trying to stop life. If you’ve ever tried to stop life, it’s like being at the ocean in a heavy surf and trying to stop the waves. It doesn’t work.

Jennifer: Not so much. So Cat has an interesting question, which is, “I have glimmers of being

able to allow the flow of my life to take me, but I can’t sustain it. How do I keep the focus?”

Hale: This is also a very common misconception, that we need to effort more in order to

allow the flow. What I recommend to everyone, instead of trying to effort more to be in the flow, start looking for the flow that’s already here, already now and start letting go of everything else.

Jennifer: Look into the flow that’s already here. Hale: Exactly, because if it wasn’t already here, it’s not true. In my experience, if it’s

something you can gain, you lose. Everything I’m talking about is not something new. The river of life is not new. Your intuitive knowingness is not new. That infinite power that you are has always been here. It’s always now. So what you’ll find is that, as you let go, you’ll start uncovering actually what’s here now, and that is the flow. So trying to get into the flow, trying to make it happen or, even worse, trying to hold onto the flow you had in the past — by the way, it’s not bad worse. It’s just it doesn’t work worse. This is not about good or bad.

Jennifer: There’s no bad here. Hale: Exactly. You’ll find that, if you’re trying to get back to any past moment, no matter

how exquisite, you miss the point that in that moment, you were more aware of what’s actually always present here and now. So trying to get back to some past positive denies you the access to that exact same positive right here right now.

Jennifer: I want to pause for just a moment. We have a contest that we’re doing. We’re giving

$100 away per show, and we’d like to highlight one of the ideas that come up on the show. The phrase that pays for today is could you let it go, which is one of the three questions. It’s the first of the three. Could you let it go is the phrase that pays today. So we have about three minutes left. I know, Hale, that there’s more than just these three questions as part of the Sedona Method system. What more can we expect if we want to go deeper into your work?

Hale: Well, we created a special bundle for the people listening to this, and what it is, is our

Sedona Method movie, a DVD of our Sedona Method movie, which is a groundbreaking film that is not a training film and is not a documentary. It’s this fun, experiential film that guides you much more deeply into the process than I could in this time we spent together. We were more talking about it than doing the experience itself. Then there’s a seven‐week audio program that is designed to completely support you in integrating this process into every part of your life. So if there’s a money issue that is disappointing you — you have too much debt, or you’d like to make more money, or you’d like to just manage it better — this program can help. If there’s a relationship


issue, where you’re struggling with your spouse or your children, or you’re wanting to find that perfect someone, or you’re just wanting to experience the love that you are, this program will help you with that. If you’re wanting to have greater health and well‐being, even though, again, we can’t promise those type of benefits, that’s a very commonly reported benefit, because as you let go of the distress in your life, you have less dis‐ease. Again, it’s not a medical thing. Then if you’d just simply like to feel happier and more alive and more at ease, this will help you with that. It’s also an amazingly powerful way to work with the law of attraction. Over half the teachers in the movie, The Secret use the Sedona Method every day, because they know without letting go, no matter how much you try to apply the secret, it’s not going to work. So that’s why Jack Canfield does it, Marcie and Bob Doyle and Joe Vitale and many others who I haven’t named are using the Sedona Method every day and recommending it every day because of how necessary it is to manifest whatever you choose. So again, this bundle, I think it’s a couple hundred dollars off.

Jennifer: Yeah, it is. Hale: It’s less than a third of what it would have cost if you bought it retail, and it’s available

just for a short time for those listening to this program. Jennifer: Yeah. We’re very honored that you put together this special bundle for us, and again,

with all of our special offers, folks, if it’s moving you and it feels right, then go for it. If it doesn’t, that’s okay, but all of these things are — if you loved this talk, and boy did I love this talk — this was really fun, Hale. If you loved this conversation and want more, this is what we do. We get together with our speakers, and we give you something that will take you deeper into these particular materials. So I’m definitely going to be getting this for myself. I’m really looking forward to it. I heard wonderful, wonderful things about the movie and how it’s really changing people’s lives. I know that the program Beyond Letting Go is really a powerful, powerful program that takes you much deeper into your practice of this. I know that when we take on these type of programs, they allow us to have it become habit. My feeling always is do you want to have suffering, continue to have it, or do you want to have letting go become your habit. I think this is a really cool program that will allow you have letting go become your habit.

Hale: Yes. I highly agree. I really think that. Again, I hope you benefitted from what we said

tonight. I hope you apply it, but again, if you’re like most people, it’s really helpful to have some support, and so the movie and the Beyond Letting Go program is designed to give you the support you need to go beyond what we usually do into a whole place of exquisite possibility, a whole place where everything is possible and a whole place where we can all really start to support each other in bringing about a much better planet.

Jennifer: Yes. At the end of the day, that’s kind of what this whole series is about, is each of us

doing our own playing — I don’t like to call it work anymore — our own playing with our lives, creating, clearing, releasing and letting go that allow each of us to be participants of peace that can create peace on the planet.


Hale: Yes. Jennifer: Thank you for giving us another wonderful, wonderful and important tool to assist us

in doing that, and Hale, thank you just for being you. What a special person you are, just a beautiful heart opening and very articulate and passionate and compassionate about your work. It’s an absolute pleasure to speak with you today. We’re getting tons of people saying what a great call it’s been and how special you are, so thank you so much for joining us.

Hale: Thank you, and thank you for making this available to all these people. It’s just a real

service you’re doing to helping people get this information the way you are. Jennifer: Thank you. Thank you, Hale. So again, if you’re interested in Hale’s offer, go to

healingwiththemasters.com/halespecial. If you’re listening to this on a recording afterwards, just scroll down to the big purple button, and if you’re listening to the webcast right now, you can click the button that’s on the webcast there in the upper left‐hand corner. So again, the phrase that pays tonight is could you let it go, and I also want to announce the winners from last week’s shows, the $100 winners from last week. We’ll be sending you an email shortly, but it’s Indu Gulalia is $100 winner from my show on Thursday, and Carol Bertrand is our $100 winner from Sonia Choquette’s. So congratulations to Indu and Carol Bertrand, and we’ll be sending you an email shortly. Thanks for playing, and again, the phrase that pays tonight is could you let it go. We’ve been speaking with Hale Dwoskin, creator of the Sedona Method. If you’re interested in his really cool offer, go to: healingwiththemasters.com/halespecial.

Join us again on Thursday, where we have a wonderful — oh, my God. You guys are in for a treat there on Thursday night. We have Elizabeth Jones. She has been my personal astrologer for ten years. She’s renowned as being an amazing astrologer and intuitive, and she is bringing us some new information about the planets that is going to blow your mind. She’s also going to share with you some information about where we’re at right now astrologically and what to look out for, so join us on Thursday at 4:00. Thank you again, Hale. It was a pleasure having you on the show.

Hale: Totally my pleasure, and again, thanks so much for having me. Thank you all for listening. I really appreciate your openness to seeing things in a slightly different way.

Jennifer: Cool. Thanks, everyone. Have a wonderful evening and love you all. We will see you

next time. Bye now. [End of Teleseminar]

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HEALING WITH THE MASTERS™ PRESENTS VOLUME VIIauthor, with Lester Levenson, of Happiness Is Free, And It’s Easier Than You Think, a five‐book series. Welcome Hale Dwoskin to Healing