David Albert Whitmer Interview 11-18-93

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NOVEMBER 18, 1993

…After 2½ years we taught 112 people a! "apt#$e! 112% &e e'er e'e taught a lesso toay"o!y e()ept they got "apt#$e!% * +ea we e'e h#t the u+"er, oe athe#st # a)o+a who

was a 19 year ol! -#! that ha! a *. of o'er 2//% &he he was 10 he ha! )hallege! e'ery +aor rel#g#o to a "#g !e"ate% e )hallege! the athol#)s, Bapt#sts, a! they woul! +eet # a largehall that seate! 3// or 0// people% e ha! wo e'ery !e"ate, "ut he )oul!4t get ay Mor+os to)o+e a! !e"ate% he full5t#+e +#ss#oar#es woul! )o+e a! tea)h h#+, "ut they woul!4t!#s)uss A!a+56o! theory, or polyga+y, a! all that% e ha! sl#ppe! #to oe of our "apt#s+swhere we were "apt#$#g a )ouple, a! he ha! hear! there was go#g to "e a "apt#s+ a! hewate! to see what #t was l#-e% R#ght after the "apt#s+ he sl#ps out the !oor% Arly a! * weregett#g !resse! a! we usually "apt#$e oe or the other a! the we woul! sw#t)h o the)of#r+at#o% &he * go to )of#r+ the+ * )a4t f#! Arly% 7o * )of#r+ the+ "oth a! we get allthrough a! * go out #to the par-#g lot a! there #s Arly% e ha! sl#ppe! out a! the 7p#r#t ha!sa#!, 6o get h#+% 7o Arly ha! hea!e! h#+ off a! he sa#!, :&hat * wat to !o #s lear a"out

the A!a+56o! theory, polyga+y, a! all that stuff:% Arly sa#! :&e w#ll tea)h you ayth#g youwat to -ow%: A! he sa#! :O;, )o+e o'er to +y house hurs!ay #ght%4 7o start#g hurs!ay#ght o we taught h#+%%%<u#tell#g#"le=% Arly too- +y wat)h> * ha! oe w#th the ha! o #tgo#g arou!% e too- +y wat)h a! he says, :?oh, #s there ay ele+ets # that wat)h that you)oul!4t f#! out here # the earth@: ?oh says, :No%: Arly says, :&hat are the )ha)es of allthe+ )o+#g together a! a)tually wor-#g:@ A! ?oh goes <he f#gures #t all out=, :Really there#s o )ha)e of that happe#g:% Arly the says, :7o+eoe ha! to +a-e #t, huh@ :O;, * f#ally "el#e'e there #s a 6o!% here #s o way * )a get passe! that oe% he w#th tears # h#s eyes?oh says, :Now tea)h +e a"out 6o!%: e e!e! up o##g the hur)h a! the he wet o a+#ss#o% he he )a+e to B a! * ha'e4t hear! +u)h fro+ h#+ s#)e%

Arly woul! hea! off people all o'er tow% * leare! o that f#fth sta-e +#ss#o how you !o #t "ythe 7p#r#t% *f you !o4t ha'e re'elat#o you ha'e to -o)- o e'ery !oor% *f you ha'e the 7p#r#tyou ust pass up the oes that are4t rea!y, e'e #f they +a-e a appo#t+et% e #s the oe thatopee! the !oor o #t% 7o whe * +o'e! "a)- fro+ a)o+a up to 7alt Ca-e here, the f#rst wee- * wet to )hur)h as a 7e'ety they sa#!, :Our group #stru)tor #s4t here% ere #s the lesso+aual% &oul! you +#! tea)h#g us lesso u+"er su)h a! su)h@: * stoo! up f#rst t#+e # thewar! a! taught the lesso a! after that they set +e apart as the 7e'ety #stru)tor% he se)o!wee- the #gh Dr#est group #stru)tor was4t there a! they as-e! #f they )oul! )o+e #% A!a"out three years later they +a!e +e a #gh Dr#est a! *4+ st#ll tea)h#g all the 7e'et#es a!#gh Dr#ests a! * was there 8% years tea)h#g the+% wo a! a half years wor-#g # the R#'er ?or!a te+ple # the "apt#stry e'ery &e!es!ay%

* ha! a goal that too- +e f#ftee years to rea)h% * wate! to "e a"le to spea- to the hur)h of theF#rst"or a! the resurre)te! "e#gs% E'e go#g o a +#ss#o * ee!e! persoal re'elat#o ofso+e -#! that sa#!, :es, * wat you to go o a +#ss#o a! here #s where * wat you to go> th#s#s what * wat you to !o:% Rather tha ust assu+e * a+ suppose! to "e go#g where the hur)htol! +e to go "ase! o there was a ope#g that happee! to "e there% * wate! to "e +ore% *wet for f#ftee years fast#g, pray#g, f#ll#g e'ery pos#t#o that * ha!, !o#g e'eryth#g * )oul!

Interview with David Albert Whitmer

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"y the 7p#r#t ut#l * starte! re)e#'#g +y f#rst '#s#os a! re'elat#os% hat woul! ha'e "ee e#ghtyears ago ow%

My f#rst '#s#o, * ha! ?esus ta-#g +e "y the ha! a! we were sa#l#g o'er what ture! out to "e +ost of the state of tah% &e were at a #)l#e a"out l#-e th#s G% &e are a"out two or three

hu!re! feet # the a#r a! e #s show#g +e all the !estru)t#o that #s go#g to happe to tah%e -ept say#g :*4ll )lea +y house f#rst:% My house, +ea#g those that are the )losest, thosethat ha'e the +ost, w#ll "e where * )lea f#rst% here was a wo+a )l#+"#g up o'er ru""le% 7hewas all "eat up% 7he ha! !r#e! "loo! o her, s)a"s, e'eryth#g was a +ess o her% 7he was!#gg#g thru ru""le l#-e #t was her ho+e% 7he was say#g, :Oh 6o!, *4'e lost e'eryth#g% *4'e loste'eryth#g,: a! ust a5wa#l#g% A! ?esus sa#! :No, you ha'e lost e'eryth#g that you thoughtwoul! sa'e you% less all of you tur your hearts to Me a! )o+e to +e, th#s #s what4s go#g tohappe to you%:

* !o4t -ow how log th#s '#s#o too-, "ut whe #t f##she! * was s#tt#g o the e! of +y "e!% *wet !owsta#rs a! wal-e! arou! for a"out 0 +#utes% * )a+e "a)- up a! ust sat o the

e!ge of the "e! a! was ust start#g to lea "a)- oto the p#llow whe the '#s#o starte! aga#%*t was e(a)tly the sa+e th#g, e(a)tly, sa+e wor!s, e'eryth#g perfe)t% &he * got through * wass#tt#g o the e!ge of the "e! aga#% 7o * wet !ow a! wal-e! arou! for a l#ttle o'er a hour%* wet "a)- up a! was ust start#g to s#t o the e!ge of the "e! whe #t starte! for the th#r!t#+e% After the f#rst oe * re+e+"er th#-#g &he +y w#fe wa-es up # the +or#g * a+go#g to tell her we4'e got to +o'e away fro+ 7alt Ca-e% After the se)o! oe, &e4'e got to+o'e away fro+ the &asat)h frot% A! after the th#r! oe, &e4'e got to +o'e out of tah "e)ause the * re+e+"er see#g Coga, 7t% 6eorge, Veral, a! e'erypla)e # tah% * re+e+"er see#g hea!l#es, l#-e ews hea!l#es, say#g, :Coo- what has happee! to tah% hese were6o!5fear#g, fa+#ly5or#ete!, upr#ght, )lea l#'#g people% *f that )a happe # tah, what #sgo#g to happe to the rest of us@: * was see#g ews)asters say#g the sa+e type of th#g%

.uest#oH &as that a earthIua-e type of th#g or u)lear@

AswerH here was4t +u)h sta!#g% * re+e+"er see#g the te+ple, "ut #t was l#-e the te+plewas st#)-#g out of so+e water% * )oul! oly see the top sp#res of the te+ple% he ru""le was+ostly up o the "e)hes, "ut #t loo-e! l#-e there was a lot of water here% 7#)e the * ha'efou! out that there #s a 2//53// foot shelf of salt u!ereath the whole 7alt Ca-e 'alley% Ageolog#st at the #'ers#ty of tah was tell#g +e that that salt # the last 2/ years has "ee!#ssol'e! a! +ost of #t #s goe ow a! #t #s ust a hollow )a'er !ow there% &he they !r#llthey )a h#t a area of 3// feet th#)- w#th oth#g # #t> #t #s ust e+pty% 7o #t #s l#-e theearthIua-e sha-es a! th#s falls !ow a! the the water fro+ the 6reat 7alt Ca-e rushes #%he *!#as * tal- to say that # the#r prophes#es #t #s so+eth#g l#-e the salt wo+a% hey )allth#s the salt wo+a a! the salt wo+a #s go#g to ra#se up a! )lea the 'alley. But all * )a tellyou #s what * saw wh#)h was a lot of !estru)t#o a! whe th#s wo+a says, :*4'e loste'eryth#g:, all e aswere! was, :ou4'e lost e'eryth#g you thought woul! sa'e you:%

* !o4t th#- *4'e tol! you th#s, "ut * saw a )ouple of '#s#os where * )oul! see +e sta!#g o a)orer # 7alt Ca-e a! *4+ tell#g people that ow #s the t#+e to repet> ow #s the t#+e to getyour l#fe # or!er% * re+e+"er a guy )o+#g up w#th a three5p#e)e su#t o a! a "r#ef)ase a! he

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as-s #f he )a go ho+e a! tell h#s fa+#ly a"out th#s% A! * say, :es:% * see +yself there a few!ays later say#g the sa+e th#gs a! aother guy # a three5p#e)e su#t a! a "r#ef)ase )o+es upa! as-s #f he )a go ho+e a! war h#s fa+#ly a! * aswer, :No, there #s4t t#+e:% * )a see+yself tur a! l#-e * was hea!#g west a! whe * got so+ewhere out o the !esert * )oul! seea lot of people "eh#! +e a! a lot of people out # frot of +e, all tra'el#g, "ut * felt l#-e a "#g

whoosh "eh#! +e% *t was ust l#-e so+eth#g "rushe! the "a)- of +y hea! a! the "a)- of +yshoul!ers a! +y pats a! the heels ust wet whoosh l#-e so+eth#g fell !ow% * ture!arou! a! #t was l#-e * was loo-#g through glass or plast#)% E'eryth#g was sw#rl#g% herewere people, )ars, trees, a! houses sw#rl#g up # the a#r a! they ha! a horr#f#e! loo- o the#r fa)e% hat #s whe +y w#fe says, :&e wat to "e # frot of you:% <&e +o'e! r#ght out toVa)ou'er, &A=%

* ha! a agel )o+e a! say, :ou4re ow rea!y to "e re"apt#$e! # preparat#o to re)e#'#gfurther or!#a)es:%

.uest#oH J#! the agel g#'e a a+e@

AswerH e e'etually !#! "ut he !#!4t whe * f#rst +et h#+%

* wet a! tol! +y B#shop, tol! +y 7ta-e Dres#!et, tol! the 1st ouselor # +y 7ta-eDres#!e)y who l#'e! # +y war!, a! * tol! the+ all e'eryth#g that was happe#g% * thoughtthat they woul! l#e +e up a appo#t+et at the te+ple or so+eth#g to go get "apt#$e!% *t wasstuff * !#!4t -ow +u)h a"out, the or!#a)es for re"apt#s+%

* as-e! the agel, :&hat4s th#s a"out@ &hat !o * ee! to !o@:

* wat you to go up to the hur)h ar)h#'es a! get a )opy of Ja'#! &h#t+er, the &#tess, h#s patr#ar)hal "less#g%

he e(t !ay * wet up a! reIueste! a )opy a! they pu)he! # the )o+puter a! sa#!, :here#s oe:%

7o that #ght th#s agel shows up aga# a! says, :* wat you to go up a! get a )opy of Ja'#!&h#t+er4s "less#g%:

* say, here #s4t oe%

A! he says, :es, there #s%:

* wet up aga# a! they ha! a super'#sor gal there that -ept putt#g #t # the )o+puter a!say#g, :here #s4t oe%:

7o * wet ho+e a! the e(t #ght here he )o+es aga#% * a+ th#-#g that th#s guy #s a "ro-ere)or!% here #s oe or there #s4t% * was4t argu#g w#th h#+, "ut * ust sa#!, :hey tell +e there#s4t oe%

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he agel says, :here #s oe%

:O;, *4ll go:%

* go up a! ust +a-e aother reIuest a! they say, :here #s4t oe:%

* sa#!, :Jo you ha'e so+e"o!y that -ows why there woul!4t "e oe@:

here #s a guy that has wor-e! here for 0 years% e loo-e! l#-e he was 8/ years ol!% e -#!aloo-e! l#-e ?oseph F#el!#g 7+#th% e loo-e! l#-e he ha! wor-e! # the ar)h#'es all h#s l#fe% etr#e! the )o+puter also a! the sa#! he woul! loo- # the a)tual sta)-s% e )a+e "a)- out a!sa#!, :ea, there #s oe "a)- there, "ut #t4s a f#le that4s got all three e!ges tape! together w#th re!tape a! re! tape a)ross the frot% &r#tte o the re! tape a)ross the frot #s :Jo ot ope e()ept# the prese)e of the F#rst Dres#!e)y%: he ol! +a says, :he oly way you )a get a )opy #s "y reIuest#g #t w#th th#s for+%: e helpe! +e f#ll out the for+% * put !ow that he #s a a)estor a! * wat a )opy to put # +y "oo- of re+e+"ra)e% e says, :hat #s a 'al#! reaso%:

wo wee-s later * get a letter fro+ Jea Carso, the 6eeral Author#ty # )harge of h#stor#)al!epart+et of the hur)h% After !el#"erat#o, the F#rst Dres#!e)y has !e#e! your reIuest for a)opy of Ja'#! &h#t+er4s patr#ar)hal "less#g%

he e(t #ght the agel )o+es "a)-% * sa#!, :* a+ sorry * )oul! ot get a )opy of the "less#g%:

he agel sa#!, :* ust wate! you to -ow there was oe:%

* sa#!, :* "el#e'e that there #s oe%:

he agel the sa#!, :* a+ go#g to tell you who * a+ ow% * a+ Ja'#! &h#t+er a! ?oseph7+#th ga'e +e that "less#g% * a+ ow go#g to tell you what was # that "less#g:% A lot of thesa+e stuff that he tol! +e <he sh#fts !#re)t#os here for a wh#le=%

Now let +e u+p "a)-% &he * was 2% years ol! +y +other ra o'er +e # a )ar% hey rushe!+e o'er to the 7afor! l##)% * ha! K8 "oes "ro-e a! * swelle! up a! they ha! to )ut +y)lothes off% he !o)tor sa#! he woul!4t +a-e #t to Dhoe#( a! we )a4t sa'e h#+ here so ustta-e h#+ ho+e "e)ause he woul!4t +a-e #t thru the #ght% My gra!father, the oe who grew upw#th 7pe)er ;#+"all%%%<+ore "a)-grou! a"out h#s gra!father=

My gra!father ha! a l#ttle "oy that !rowe!% he l#ttle "oy ha! "ee stu)- # a hea! gate of a#rr#gat#o !#t)h for 0 hours% he fa+#ly +e+"ers )oul!4t f#! h#+ a! they f#ally wet a! gotgra!!a!% e u+pe! off the tra)tor a! -elt !ow a! he )oul! see # a '#s#o r#ght where the-#! was% e ra o'er a! u+pe! a few fe)es a! ra r#ght up to th#s hea! gate a! u+pe! #a! the water was up to h#s )hest% E'e though the water was +u!!y, gra!!a! )oul! see wherethe "oy4s ha! was "e)ause of the '#s#o that was show to h#+% e pulle! h#+ out, put h#s leftha! o h#s hea! a! h#s r#ght ar+ to the sIuare a! )o++a!e! the Cor! to +a-e h#+ l#'e%&ater shot out of h#s +outh a"out f#ftee feet stra#ght # the a#r% E'ery year o h#s "#rth!ay heg#'es gra!!a! a "oo- or a l#ttle preset%

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My gra!+other passe! away oe !ay a! the Rel#ef 7o)#ety ha! ta-e her o'er to the )hur)hhouse to get rea!y for "ur#al% 6ra!!a! ha! )o+e ho+e a! fou! out she ha! !#e!% e sa#!,:No she has4t> she has a fa+#ly to ra#se%: e wet to the )hur)h, too- her ha! w#th h#s left,ra#se! h#s r#ght ar+ to the sIuare a! )o++a!e! her to r#se L a! she !#!% e !ragge! her all

the way ho+e <sou!s rougher tha #t was= a! she ha! to ta-e the st#t)hes out whe she gotho+e% 7he st#ll ha! the s)ars fro+ where they ha! sew up her l#ps a! eyes% hey ha! f#'e+ore -#!s after th#s% * a+ g#'#g you a #!ea what +y gra!father was l#-e%

7o he ga'e +e a "less#g whe * was 2% years ol! a! was ra o'er% E'ery"o!y -ew that * wasgo#g to !#e, "ut he tol! +e * was4t, so * !#!4t% * st#ll ha'e a "#g s)ar o +y leg that re+#!s +eof #t% &he * was 19 7pe)er ;#+"all ga'e +e a "less#g a! the "less#g really s)are! +e%

* th#- * was o +y f#fth sta-e +#ss#o # a)o+a whe +y gra!father passe! away # Ar#$oa%e passe! away for a"out 1 +#utes% e ha! ha! a heart atta)- a! the para+e!#)s ha! rushe!h#+ to the hosp#tal a! they were prepar#g a operat#g roo+ for h#+% e was all hoo-e! up to

the +a)h#es a! ha! left h#+ aloe # a !ar- roo+ a! whe they )a+e "a)- the +a)h#esshowe! he was !ea! flat for 1 +#utes% 6ra!father sa#! he ha! +et the Cor! a! ha! tal-e!the Cor! #to lett#g h#+ )o+e "a)-% e wate! all of h#s poster#ty to )o+e !ow a! hear h#stest#+oy% he whole fa+#ly wet to Ar#$oa% * woul! ha'e "ee a"out 3/ years ol!% <* )oul!ha'e "ee aywhere fro+ 28 to 32=%

6ra!father tol! e'eryoe how he ha! +et the Cor!, what #t was l#-e, a! how log he -ew h#sw#fe woul! st#ll "e here% 6ra!father tol! e'eryoe that he ha! )o+e "a)- to "ear h#s test#+oythat the Cor! l#'es a! has "ee resurre)te!, et)% hat afteroo he )a+e a! too- +e "y theha! a! too- +e out arou! the house where there are o w#!ows o oe s#!e a! where atra+pol#e #s, wh#)h they leae! o% 6ra!father sa#!, :he oly reaso * )a+e "a)- #s to repeata "less#g to you% he Cor! tol! +e to repeat a "less#g to you% Jo you re+e+"er the "less#g *ga'e you whe you got ra o'er@:

* sa#!, :* re+e+"er that you ga'e +e a "less#g "ut * !o4t -ow what was # #t%:

e sa#!, :No oe has tol! you what was # #t@:

* sa#!, :No%: &he he starte! tal-#g, a"out the th#r! wor! * -ew #t was, wor! for wor!, thesa+e "less#g that 7pe)er ;#+"all ha! g#'e +e # h#s off#)e whe * was #etee% *t ha! so+eof the sa+e stuff # #t that Ja'#! &h#t+er4s patr#ar)hal "less#g ha! that he was g#'e "y ?oseph7+#th% he oe that #s seale! at the ar)h#'es that )a4t "e opee! e()ept the F#rst Dres#!e)y #sthere% E'ery t#+e *4'e hear! the "less#g #t s)are! +e% *t #s +a#ly !eal#g w#th fa+#ly though%Fro+ the hur)h sta!po#t #t !eals w#th fa+#ly% * ha'e a +#ss#o w#th +y fa+#ly%

<198= he Cor! too- +e o those three tr#ps of !estru)t#o, prea)h#g o the )orer, a! the+y two gra!father4s appeare! to +e% hey ha! "oth !#e! s#)e the% hey appeare! to +e #+y "e!roo+% My !a!4s father a! +y +other4s father% My +other4s father !#!4t say ayth#g "ut he woul! o! h#s hea! whee'er +y other gra!father woul! tal-%

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<Ba)-grou!= Both gra!father4s ser'e! full5t#+e +#ss#os, "oth +arr#e! # the te+ple, "othha! four sos a! four !aughters ea)h, all the#r sos a! half the !aughters of ea)h ser'e! full5t#+e +#ss#os, they all +arr#e! # the te+ple a! ser'e! # "#shopr#)s a! sta-e pres#!e)#es%hree sos are sta-e patr#ar)hs ow% hey are "oth real stra#ght arrow type fa+#l#es, real sol#!%Oe gra!father has K3 gra!)h#l!re a! the other has K0 a! all of the+ +arr#e! # the

te+ple% Both of the+ ser'e! full5t#+e +#ss#os w#th the#r w#'es after they ret#re!% Oe wor-e!2/ years a! the other wor-e! 22 # the Mesa e+ple a! the 7alt Ca-e e+ple%

&#th that "a)-grou!, here they are tell#g +e, :&here we are we )a4t progress ut#l you, othe path you are o, )ot#ue o that path a! re)e#'e the Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo!, a! the seal#g power of El#ah a! seal us #to your fa+#ly%:

* sa#!, :&hat, say what@:

hey tol! +e th#s three t#+es that #ght, :ou ee! to go o your path, a! stay o #t, a!o"ta# the Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! a! the seal#g power of El#ah a! seal us #to your fa+#ly or

we )a4t progress%:

* wet through two +oths of sear)h#g e'eryth#g try#g to f#gure out what they are tal-#ga"out% hey ha'e !oe e'eryth#g that * hope! to !o, they )o'ere! all the#r "ases, they ha'e!oe e'eryth#g "y the u+"ers% * a+ wo!er#g what they +#sse! or what they say they ha'e+#sse! out o%

he e(t 7u!ay, after they '#s#te! +e, * got up to tea)h the #gh Dr#ests a! 7e'et#es a! * prepare! whate'er the lesso was% A! whe * opee! +y +outh the 7p#r#t ha! +e g#'e awhole lesso o the Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! a! oe of #t * ha! e'er hear! "efore% * was ust l#-ea spe)tator # the roo+ l#ste#g to the sa+e le)ture o Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo!% * )oul!4t "el#e'e#t% O the Aaro#) le'el +e hol! the Dr#esthoo! "e)ause they ee! to lear how to ser'e others%&o+e !o4t ee! the Dr#esthoo! "e)ause they alrea!y ser'e others% hey alrea!y -ow how sothey !o4t ee! to lear #t% O the Mel)h#$e!e- le'el the wo+e share # the Dr#esthoo! w#ththe#r hus"a!s, "ut they !o4t ee! the#r hus"a! there to !o #t% hey )a ao#t w#th o#l, they)a "less, they !#! #t "a)- # ?oseph 7+#th4s t#+e a! # Br#gha+ oug4s t#+e% O theDatr#ar)hal le'el they hol! the pr#esthoo! #!epe!et of the#r hus"a! a! so+e )a ha'e ah#gher Dr#esthoo! tha the#r hus"a! has, "ut #t #s all #!epe!et% * a+ say#g all th#s a!say#g, &here #s all th#s )o+#g fro+@ * ha'e e'er hear! th#s, e'er saw #t, !o4t e'e ha'ea w#sp of #t% * get the whole th#g out a! afterwar!, out of 32 +e # the )lass, at least 2/ )o+eup a! say, &e ha'e e'er hear! ayth#g a"out th#s% &here !#! you get th#s@

* sa#!, :* ha'e o #!ea%:

hat was 7u!ay a! o &e!es!ay we ha! sta-e te+ple #ght% Out of those 32 +e 3/ wet tothe te+ple, "ut * !#! ot go% * got 2 phoe )alls at 11H// that #ght% he B#shop a! the f#rst)ou)#lor "oth )alle! a! sa#!, :Boy, you woul!4t "el#e'e what happee! to us to#ght% &ewet to the te+ple a! ha! a hour set as#!e for a Iuest#o a! aswer t#+e to tal- a"out th#gsyou )a4t tal- a"out e()ept # the te+ple% &he we got there a! the e+ple Dres#!et )a+e #a! sa#!, 4&e ha'e a letter fro+ the F#rst Dres#!e)y say#g that we )aot g#'e these Iuest#o

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a! aswer per#o!s ay+ore% &e are oly suppose! to g#'e you a le)ture o the #+porta)e of )o+#g to the e+ple%4 e #tro!u)es h#s F#rst ou)#lor who #s go#g to g#'e us the le)ture a!the the Dres#!et left% &he the F#rst ou)#lor opee! h#s +outh, out )o+es e'ery wor! thatyou sa#! o the Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo!, "ut the f#rst )ou)#lor also ha! all the foototes% e ha!e'ery pla)e that you go to get that #for+at#o% R#ght after the le)ture the "#shop +a!e a

appo#t+et w#th h#+ for you a! * to go to h#s house% e #s a 7ta-e Datr#ar)h a! he #s theF#rst ou)#lor # the R#'er ?or!a te+ple% 7atur!ay at 8H//a%+% he w#ll show us where he gotall th#s% ?oh aylor, Br#gha+ oug ?oseph 7+#th, &#lfor! &oo!ruff were all Iuote!% hetwo "rethre fro+ h#s war! state! that th#s was a se)o! w#tess%

*t was a 7u!ay or two after that that * was tol! to res#g fro+ +y o" as tea)her of the #ghDr#ests a! 7e'et#es a! )o)etrate o +y fa+#ly% * tol! the #gh Dr#est group lea!er that *wate! to "e release! a! he as-e! why% * tol! h#+ that * was suppose! to )o)etrate o +yfa+#ly% &he * got ho+e that !ay the 7ta-e Dres#!et )alls +e a! )o+es rush#g o'er to +yhouse% e ha! "ee the Dres#!et for 2 +oths% Dr#or to that t#+e he ha! ser'e! # the pres#!e)yfor 8 years% e wet through a lot of s)r#ptures, "ut h#s "otto+ l#e was, :&he * was #

se+#ary +y se+#ary tea)her showe! +e these s)r#ptures a! tol! +e that * ee! to !e'elop +yow persoal relat#osh#p w#th the Cor!, that * ee! to ha'e )o++u#o w#th the hur)h of theF#rst"or, a! the resurre)te!, a! r#ghteous, a! ust sa#ts% * ee! to ha'e +##ster#g agels%e l#ste! the+ all% he he )ot#ue! "y say#g, * wet o a full5t#+e +#ss#o, * got +arr#e! #the te+ple a! * was put r#ght # the "#shopr#), the * was +a!e the e(t "#shop% he * wetr#ght #to the 7ta-e Dres#!e)y a! * was the F#rst ou)#lor for 11 years a! ow * a+ the 7ta-eDres#!et% h#s has ot happee! to +e a! #t )a4t "e happe#g to you% * ha'e toe()o++u#)ate you "e)ause * !o4t wat ay"o!y follow#g you% * !o4t wat ay"o!y )o+#go'er a! tal-#g w#th you% A! #f * !o4t e()o++u#)ate you the e'ery"o!y w#ll%:

hat was the +ost !e'astat#g th#g * ha'e hear! a"out # +y l#fe% Nu+"er oe * )a tell you that#f you say that +e+"ersh#p # the hur)h #s +ore #+portat to you tha a persoal relat#osh#pw#th the Cor!, * )a tell you what you are go#g to e! up los#g "e)ause that #s oe of the f#rstth#gs that w#ll go% * wet through a wee- a! a half of horror% * plea! w#th the Cor!, * praye!, *woul! !o ayth#g% My whole goal up ut#l that t#+e was to "e)o+e wealthy # )ostru)t#o a!the tea)h se+#ary for a l%//Gyr where'er they wate! +e to% hat #s all * a)tually wate! to!o a! * oly ha! a half of a year of )ollege to f##sh% * ust wate! to tea)h for a !ollar a year a! the ta-e +y stu!ets !ur#g the su++er a! put the+ # +y )ostru)t#o )rew a! tea)hthe+ how to wor- a! how to "e a so or !aughter of 6o! all the t#+e you are wor-#g a!eoy #t%

.uest#oH 7o they wet ahea! w#th the a)t#o@

AswerH es% he 7ta-e Dres#!et sa#!, :* !o4t e'e wat you at the tr#al> #t wo4t +a-e ay!#ffere)e, *4+ go#g to e()o++u#)ate you ayway%:

.uest#oH J#! they g#'e you ay reasos@

AswerH he 7ta-e Dres#!et sa#!, :*4+ ust go#g to put !ow that you ha'e 4!eparte! fro+ the!o)tr#e of hr#st%4

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* a)tually wet o'er a! !ro'e arou! the )hur)h house at least f#'e t#+es whe the tr#al wasgo#g o "e)ause * wate! to go% * a)tually ha! agels that -ept +e fro+ go#g, "ut * wate! togo ayway ust so * )oul! say * l#stee! to #t a! see how #t was% * ha! three #gh ou)#l+e)o+e o'er to +y house afterwar! a! say, :E'ery t#+e he woul! as- for a 'ote we woul! all

'ote 4No4% &e saw o reaso to e()o++u#)ate you% he he f#ally rea! a letter fro+ oe of the 7e'et#es% *t was a Doulso, or so+eth#g l#-e that% But he rea! a letter fro+ a 6eeralAuthor#ty a! # the letter #t sa#! so+eth#g a"out follow#g the a!'#)e of your Dr#esthoo!lea!ers% * !o4t -ow the wor!#g of #t% * -#!a ha! the#r 'ers#os so * wo4t get #to "e)ause *was4t sure, "ut # #t #t sa#! that #f your pr#esthoo! lea!er )hooses the way to go you ha'e tosusta# h#+% After the th#r! 4No4, a! the 7ta-e Dres#!et was the oly oe to 'ote toe()o++u#)ate +e, he rea! th#s letter fro+ oe of the 6eeral Author#t#es a! the sa#!, :*, asyour 7ta-e Dres#!et, ha'e )hose to e()o++u#)ate h#+ so therefore to susta# +e you allha'e to 'ote 4es%4:

he we all 'ote! 4es4 "e)ause we wate! to o"ey our pr#esthoo! lea!er%

* sa#!, :hat4s f#e #t !oes4t "other +e a "#t%: he reaso #t !#!4t "other +e was "e)ause theCor!, # oe of the #ghts * was # th#s agu#sh, )a+e a! sa#!, :Ja'#!, what +a g#'es you+a )a ta-e away% Cet the+% Now what *4+ go#g to g#'e you o +a )a ta-e away% Nowwh#)h oe #s #t you wat@ &hat #s that you wat to hag o to@ *4ll ta-e whate'er ou arego#g to g#'e +e%: hat was the "otto+ l#e a! so fro+ the o #t !#!4t "other +e%

7#)e the, *4ll ust ru through the e(t year or twoH * was "apt#$e! "y ?oh the Bapt#st #to thehur)h of hr#st% Not the hur)h of ?esus hr#st of Catter5!ay 7a#ts, "ut #to what they )all thehur)h of hr#st, that le'el% he * was "apt#$e! #to the hur)h of Eo)h a! the * was "apt#$e! #to the hur)h of the F#rst"or%

.uest#oH * !o4t u!ersta! what the hur)h of hr#st #s%

AswerH *t #s part of the ;#g!o+ of 6o!%

.uest#oH ou )a4t go !#re)tly fro+ the hur)h of ?esus hr#st of Catter5!ay 7a#ts to thehur)h of the F#rst"or% *s that what you are say#g@

AswerH * )a4t e'e e'#s#o how that woul! happe% ou ha'e se'e le'els% he Boo- of Re'elat#os #s pr#+ar#ly for ust these people # the last !ays% he ele)t people # the last !ays)a rea! the Boo- of Re'elat#os a! #t #s ust for the+% &he ?oh -eeps say#g, 4Cet h#+ whohath a ear, hear,4 what he #s say#g #s #f you )a hear what * a+ say#g th#s #s ust for you% *t #s4tfor ayoe else% *t has4t "ee for ayoe else # the et#re ages ut#l r#ght ow% here #s se'e)hur)hes # there that they tal- a"outH Ephesus, 7+yra, hyat#ra <see Re'elat#o )hapter 1H11=%All they represet #s the se'e le'els you persoally ha'e to go through gett#g #to the prese)eof 6o!% here #s the hur)h of the 7ett#g # Or!er, that #s the f#rst oe% he hur)h of theRestorat#o, the hur)h of hr#st, the hur)h of Noah, the hur)h of A"raha+, the hur)h of Eo)h, a! the the hur)h of the F#rst"or%

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.uest#oH hey are ot )alle! that # the Boo- of Re'elat#os@

AswerH No% But the sp#r#t w#ll tea)h you what #t #s all a"out% ?oh has wr#tte #t # su)h a waythat o"o!y "y the#r reaso#g power )a f#gure out what he #s tal-#g a"out% As you progressthrough those le'els, "as#)ally what #t +eas #s, you ha'e to prepare your "o!y for the * AM

sp#r#t # you to ow f#ll that te+ple w#th the 7p#r#t of 6o! 5 wh#)h #t #s% &he that sp#r#t, the *AM of you, re)e#'es #ts glory #t w#ll "ur the )aral "o!y up "e)ause the )aral "o!y has4t "ee prepare! yet% ou ha'e to prepare your "o!y so that e'ery phys#)al )ell # your "o!y +at)hes thesp#r#tual )ell of your sp#r#t "o!y% &he the sp#r#t #s # )otrol a! e'ery )ell of the sp#r#t of you #s# )otrol of your phys#)al "o!y #t w#ll go through that se'e year pro)ess of repla)#g e'ery )ellto +at)h perfe)tly L JNA a! e'eryth#g L w#th that sp#r#t "o!y% he, a! oly the, w#ll that "o!y "e a"le to w#thsta! the 6lory of 6o!% 4he 7e)o! )o+#g of the Cor! #s ust tal-#ga"out the sp#r#t of you )o+#g forth a! ta-#g o'er%

.uest#oH * or!er to !o th#s you ha'e to "e "apt#$e! #to the hur)h of hr#st@

AswerH hat #s ust oe of the le'els% *t #s4t that you ha'e to "e "apt#$e! #, #t4s that the hur)hof the 7ett#g # Or!er +eas the phys#)al part of you a! your +etal +#! has to let the sp#r#tstart sett#g yourself # or!er% he you ha'e to restore all th#gs% ou ha'e to restore e'eryth#gso that the sp#r#t has all the power% he the hr#st le'el of hur)h +eas that the * AM part of you #s ow ta-#g o'er e'eryth#g% Not ust "eat#g your heart, wh#)h #t alrea!y !oes> the sp#r#t part of you )otrols "eat#g your heart, a! your eyes "l#-#g% *f you ha! to th#- a"out #t a!!o #t yourself your +#! woul! wa!er a! your heart woul! stop% ou ha'e to o"ta# a fa#th #hr#st eough that you say * -ow you4re "eat#g +y heart so * -ow that you )a )otrol therest of +y l#fe% ou )a )otrol what * eat, whe * sleep, what * th#-, where * go a! what * !o%*4ll tur +y l#fe o'er to you a! let you )otrol #t% hat4s putt#g fa#th # hr#st% ou "el#e'e #tw#ll ta-e )are of you% he 6o! fee!s you, 6o! )lothes you, a! 6o! ta-es )are of you% Nowyou4re putt#g yourself #to #s ha!s% As that sp#r#t ow reews your "o!y a! repla)es those)ells%%%

*4ll go to the 7a)ra+et le'el% O the Aaro#) le'el the sa)ra+et #sH "rea! a! water% O theMel)h#$e!e- le'el the sa)ra+et #sH re! w#e a! ulea'ee! "rea!% O the Datr#ar)hal le'el thesa)ra+et #sH e'eryth#g you eat "e)o+es your flesh% *t "e)o+es the flesh of the * AM sp#r#t partof you wh#)h #s the sa+e as the sp#r#t * AM part that4s # ?esus% he part of ?esus that4s the hr#st#s the * AM part that4s # #+ so therefore the * AM part that4s # you )a "e)o+e the sa+e #hr#st% As the sp#r#t ta-es o'er a! you eat so+eth#g you sa)t#fy #t "e)ause #t "e)o+es your flesh% hat4s ta-#g upo you #s a+e you4re "e)o+#g that hr#st% As you eat you sa)t#fy #ta! #t "e)o+es your flesh% ou !r#- a! sa)t#fy #t a! #t "e)o+es the "loo! # you% a'e you "ee washe! "y the "loo! of the Ca+" +eas let the "loo! # you as you !r#- th#s% *t "e)o+esyour "loo!> let that "loo! )lease a! as the sp#r#t )asts out of ea)h )ell that wh#)h #s u)lea 5 #t)a "e preser'at#'es or whate'er #s # there 5 "ut as #t )leases e'ery )ell #t puts #t # the "loo!a! the "loo! #s what4s wash#g you )lea% As that "loo! washes you )lea a! as what you eat-eeps repla)#g your "o!y, you "e)o+e a "o!y that +at)hes perfe)tly the sp#r#tual "o!y that4salrea!y # there% he you4ll "e a"le to w#thsta! ?esus4 prese)e or the Father4s prese)e%

.uest#oH ou ha! th#s '#s#o where ?esus )a+e to ta-e you "efore you ha! th#s@

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AswerH he oly 6host )a )o'er you a! !o all that% hey )a ta-e you to the )#ty of Eo)hto "apt#$e you # the e+ple there a! they ust )lothe you # the oly 6host a! ta-e you there%hat4s all that a+outs to% *t4s l#-e a sp#r#tual perso sta!s r#ght "eh#!, "ut you4re e'elope! #the#r aura so the as you go through #t )a4t "other you% &hat !oes Neph# say@ he oly 6host

w#ll tell you all th#gs whatsoe'er you shoul! !o%: he oly 6host, all #t +eas #s that #t4s)o+plete% A )o+plete whole, w5h5o5l5e% As your sp#r#t "e)o+es whole a! # )harge of thewhole "o!y #ts a oly sp#r#t 5 #t4s )o+plete a! that4s all they4re tal-#g a"out% Now the oly6host out there #s ayoe of the sa)t#f#e!, ay of the hur)h of the F#rst"or, ay r#ghteous a! ust perso who has4t "ee resurre)te! yet or who has4t e'e )o+e !ow a! got the#r "o!y yet)a off#)#ate # the off#)e of the oly 6host%

* the te+ple whe the Father says, :?eho'ah go !ow a! tell the +a A!a+%%%: ?eho'ah tursa! says, :Deter, ?a+es, a! ?oh, go !ow a! tell the +a A!a+%%%: ?eho'ah #s # the off#)e of the 7o <Father, 7o= a! Deter, ?a+es a! ?oh ha'e ust "ee ass#ge! # the off#)e of the oly6host to go tell A!a+ so+eth#g, "ut #t )oul! "e your gra!father, #t )oul! "e your great5

gra!so who has4t e'e "ee "or yet% hese )oul! "e oes ass#ge! to you% A! whe?eho'ah turs a! e tells so+eoe <shall * tell the+ who@= ?oseph 7+#th a! ?oseph 7+#thass#gs the oe that #s ass#ge! to you L your guar!#a agel L that guar!#a agel )a )o+e a!test#fy to so+eth#g you4re rea!#g, or so+eth#g you4re pray#g a"out% e4s )o+#g # the off#)eof the oly 6host to spe)#f#)ally <u#tell#g#"le=, "ut he !oes ot a!! ayth#g to the wor!s or he!oes4t ta-e ayth#g away% &hate'er the Father says, a! whate'er the 7o says, a! whate'er ?oseph says, that #s e(a)tly what you e! up gett#g% *t #s the wor!s of hr#st that you4re hear#g%

.uest#oH &hat you are tell#g +e #s that the e!ow+et we are wat)h#g #s persoal%

AswerH here you go% *f you ta-e e'eryth#g persoal, #f you say the earth #tself has to go u!er a "#g )leas#g )hage ow to get rea!y for the )o+#g of the Cor!, they4re ot tal-#g a"out theearth, they4re tal-#g a"out your "o!y% 6et #t rea!y% 6et #t )lease!% *t4s go#g to ha'e to ha'eearthIua-es, #t4s go#g to ha'e to ha'e tora!oes # #t to get out all the parts% All the earth #s #s asy+"ol represet#g what has to happe to your "o!y% &he they say, :* ha'e a +as#o #hea'e,: the +as#o # hea'e #s your "o!y% &here #s your sp#r#t go#g to !well a! l#'ethrough all eter#ty@ * your "o!y% 7o reew #t% our whole purpose # )o+#g here was to get a "o!y% Jo4t lea'e #t # the gra'e a! go up there a! say ow what a+ * go#g to !o@ hey4resay#g you got to go resurre)t your "o!y # the gra'e% ow !o * !o that@ *t4s a lot har!er owtha #t was wh#le you were st#ll # #t% ou let the phys#)al part of you stay # )otrol% &he #tsa#!, *4+ hugry &hat !#! you !o@ ou ate% &ho !oes that g#'e power to@ he phys#)al part%&ho was # )otrol@ he phys#)al part% Now you4'e got to go get #t "a)-% ou4'e got to go ra#se#t up% ou4re ot go#g to get a +as#o # hea'e uless you ta-e #t w#th you there% h#s #s thet#+e to prepare to +eet 6o!% hat #s "as#)ally #t%

.uest#oH &he * a+ tal-#g persoal * a+ tal-#g Datr#ar)hal, r#ght@

AswerH R#ght% Cet4s go Datr#ar)hal% &he E$ra aft Beso )o+es #to ay of your ho+es he-ows who pres#!es whe he gets there% he father of whate'er the fa+#ly #s pres#!es% Joes4te'e +atter #f they4re Mor+o or ot, they !o4t e'e ha'e to "e Mor+o, "ut they st#ll pres#!e

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"e)ause the father has the f#rst le'el of the patr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! alrea!y seale! o h#+ "y 6o! "efore he e'e )o+es here% hat +u)h Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! #s greater tha the h#ghest le'el #the hur)h% 7o e'e the Dres#!et, Drophet, 7eer a! Re'elator of the hur)h, whe he etersay ho+e, he #++e!#ately goes u!er the !#re)t#o of the father "e)ause that4s a greater pr#esthoo!% ou ta-e that pr#esthoo! wh#)h )a+e fro+ 6o! a! that4s the pr#esthoo! that 6o!

has to )ot#ue g#'#g you% Re+e+"er A"raha+ sa#!, :Mel)h#$e!e- or!a#e! +e to "e)o+e 4a;#g a! a Dr#est4, "ut the Cor! )a+e a! put #s ha!s o +y hea! a! seale! +e a -#g a! a pr#est after * was w#ll#g to sa)r#f#)e *saa)% he, a! oly the, !#! he say, Now * ha'e a pr#esthoo!%

.uest#oH &e are #tro!u)e! to the Datr#ar)hal or!er@

AswerH R#ght% &hat the seale! port#o of the gol! plates are are ra+"l#gs a"out the Datr#ar)halor!er% here4s p#e)es of that that w#ll perta# ust to you% &he you get to the Datr#ar)hal le'ela! f#! so+eoe o the other s#!e of the 'e#l who ta-es you u!er the#r w#g, you +#ght say,the they4ll #stru)t you a! slowly gu#!e you so that you slowly "e)o+e aware of what you

ee! to !o o the Datr#ar)hal le'el% he wo+e ha'e a #!epe!et 5 they ha'e to get the#r re'elat#o a! the#r #sp#rat#o o what the#r path #s a! what they ee! to !o "e)ause theyre)e#'e pr#esthoo! too% *t has4t that the +e ha! the Dr#esthoo! a! the wo+e ha! oth#g% *t4sthat the wo+e !#!4t ee! to ha'e #t "e)ause they !#!4t ha'e the atural +a #st#)ts of 4+ef#rst4% All +y -#!s woul! -ow that #f they )a+e up to +e a! as-e! for a "#te off of +y plate% *e'er stu)- # the#r +outh the oe * was sa'#g for +y last "#te% Jo you -ow what * +ea@here #s the "est part of ay stea-% he w#fe w#ll always g#'e that to ay -#!% hey4ll e'e g#'ethe "est stea- to the#r hus"a!, wo4t they@ Naturally, that4s "e)ause they alrea!y -ow how toser'e others% Me ha'e to lear that so they4re g#'e the Dr#esthoo! # or!er to put a haress othe+ a! +a-e the+ !o #t% Ma-e the+ go ho+e tea)h#g, +a-e the+ pass out fast offer#gs%hey4'e got #t all tw#ste! arou! here% hey say, 6ee, loo- at +e% *4'e got power% *4+ up here pass#g the sa)ra+et% All #t #s #s that th#s #s the oly way we )a get you to lear to !o what thewo+e alrea!y -ow% hey !o4t ee! #t, they !o4t ha'e to !o #t% All you get fro+ that po#t o#s further #stru)t#os perta##g to what you ee!% to !o% &he a hus"a! tea)hes h#s w#fe whatthe Cor! or your patr#ar)hal father tells you to tea)h her, the Cor! -ows what your w#fe ee!sto lear, or what she ee!s to -ow a"out you% hat you !o )are a! you !o appre)#ate her% heCor! w#ll ha'e you tell her that% &he you get ho+e fro+ wor-, #f you ha'e four -#!s, you gohug all four -#!s% 7o+e of the+ are th#-#g Oh gee$, here4s !a! aga#% e4s, ust go#g to hug+e a! * !o4t ee! a hug r#ght ow% But there4s oe of the+ that4s go#g to say, :Oh !a!, hug+e, l#ttle loger, loger% * ee!e!% #t all !ay%: he 7p#r#t #s go#g to say, :6o ta-e that oe a! gos#t !ow a! spe! a whole hour%: he others !o4t )are so #t !oes4t +atter r#ght ow% &hethe#r t#+e )o+es that they4re weepy or so+eth#g has happee! !ur#g that !ay a! you )o+eho+e, that4s whe the 7p#r#t says, a-e the+ as#!e a! spe! so+e t#+e% &he you !o #t "yre'elat#o you f#ll all the#r ee!s% ou f#ll all of the#r ee!s% ou !o4t ee! Dr#+ary% All thehur)h4s fu)t#o #s for #s we are go#g to tea)h these fathers, w#'es, a! )h#l!re what thefathers are4t tea)h#g the+ a! shoul!4'e "ee% hat4s all #t a+outs to% E'ery t#+e Moses, or ay"o!y, says the Cor! wats a at#o of pr#ests, holy pr#ests, that4s what he4s tal-#g a"out% &ewat the fathers to get the#r ow re'elat#o, get the#r ow #stru)t#os a! tea)h the#r ow%&he they f#ally )o+e up to the#r w#fe4s le'el, wh#)h #s patr#ar)hal, the the w#fe )a get hers%But #f the Cor! says, :Coo-, you guys ha'e "ee together for 2/ years ow% *4+ go#g to go

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ahea! a! start g#'#g your w#fe all th#s Datr#ar)hal pr#esthoo! author#ty a! she4s go#g to "e #)harge of th#s a! th#s a! you ust -eep )o+#g% &hat woul! +ost +e th#- r#ght the@ 7he4sgot +ore author#ty tha * !o% &hat woul! +ost +e !o@ .u#t, that4s r#ght% 7o the Cor! says let4s ust wa#t ut#l he a)tually gets there%

* +et Moro#, the "rother of ?are!, se'e !#fferet ?are!#tes, a"out s#( or so Neph#tes,#)lu!#g Moro#, two of the three Neph#tes that are traslate!% All of the+ ga'e +e !#fferetth#gs, !#fferet th#gs to !o w#th the Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! a! what * ee! to !o ust for +yfa+#ly% ?oseph 7+#th a! ?oseph 7+#th, 7r% )a+e a! that was the f#rst t#+e * a)tually saw theCor! L # perso a! ot ust # a '#s#o% hey or!a#e! +e to what they )alle! a pro"at#oaryDatr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! a! the seale! +e as a so to ?oseph 7+#th, 7r% * was pu$$le! the asto why ?oseph 7+#th, 7r%, "ut s#)e the *4'e fou! # the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph

Smith, o page 38 <* th#-=, #t4s where ?oseph 7+#th g#'es h#s father a patr#ar)hal "less#g% *that he a)tually g#'es h#+ the -eys to sta! as A!a+ o the earth # the last !ays% e #s A!a+to th#s last !#spesat#o% e w#ll "e a"le to s#t at A!a+5O!#5Ah+a w#th of all theseDatr#ar)hal sos a!opte! to h#+% E'eryoe o the Datr#ar)hal le'el w#ll "e a!opte! to h#+ a!

he4ll s#t at A!a+5O!#5Ah+a a! the tur the+ all o'er to the or#g#al A!a+%

Ayway, at the t#+e, all * -ew was that * was ass#ge!, as a so, to ?oseph 7+#th, 7r% hehe ga'e +e "y re'elat#o e'ery step * ha! to !o% Bas#)ally, e'eryth#g #t was was how to get+e prepare! so that * )oul! +eet the Cor! h#+self% * a sese, he was fu)t#o#g o theoly4 6host le'el to +e a! * re)e#'e! a lot of #stru)t#os through h#+ a! other people othe oly 6host le'el% * re)e#'e! #stru)t#os fro+ ;#g Ja'#!, the ;#g Ja'#! of *srael% ewas oe of +y guar!#a agels% Ja'#! &h#t+er, the Boo- of Mor+o w#tess% Br#gha+oug, ?oh aylor, two of the traslate! Neph#tes, the "rother of ?are!, a! Moro#% Allthese were4t all o that sa+e le'el% here was a per#o! of t#+e fro+ whe * was ass#ge! toh#+, a! the #+press#o * ha! was * was seale! to h#+ fore'er% *f you tal- to ay"o!y that-ows Datr#ar)hal stuff they say your Datr#ar)hal father #s your father fore'er, "ut whe herelease! +e a! #tro!u)e! +e to the Cor! he sa#!, : *4+ releas#g +y seal#g to you a! owyou w#ll "e seale! to the Cor!%: he * was seale! as a so to ?esus h#+self% Fro+ that+o+et o * !#!4t ha'e ay+ore '#s#tat#os o the oly 6host le'el% here rarely woul! "e a!ay that e !#!4t )o+e, "ut whe e !#!4t e4! ass#g so+eoe else to a! so+eoe else)oul! that was o #s le'el who #s alrea!y a o#t5he#r w#th #+% hat woul! "e whe * +etA"raha+ a! so+e of the guys that are o that le'el% ow log was * at that le'el@ 8 +oths%* that e#ght +oths all e was try#g to f#! out was #f e sa#! u+p woul! * u+p or woul!* !#s)uss #t a! try to f#! out why *4+ u+p#g@ e was try#g to get +e to a po#t whe *woul! stop say#g, &hy% * wat to -ow why% 5 -#! of th#g%

he earest th#g * )a !es)r#"e #t to #s #f you ta-e a "ro-e horse, l#-e a )utt#g horse, wheyou get that )utt#g horse to where you )a ust hag oto the sa!!le hor a! ot !oayth#g e()ept p#)- out wh#)h )alf #t #s, the horse #s ot go#g to say &hy #s #t that )alf@&hy ot that oe w#th the l#+p@ he horse !oes4t !o ay of that though we all !o aturally%ou po#t to the )alf a! the hag oto the sa!!le hor a! the horse !oes e'eryth#g% hat4swhat e wats% hat4s whe e says a "ro-e heart a! a )otr#te sp#r#t% e4s say#g "ro-eso that * )a ust hol! oto the sa!!le hor a! you !o whate'er * alrea!y po#te! you to%Jo4t -eep say#g, &ell how log !o we ha'e to !o th#s@ a * Iu#t after te u+ps@ a *

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u+p "a)- a! forth te t#+es a! the Iu#t@ hat horse !oes4t as-% e4! !o #t for four hours#f you !#!4t p#)- up the re#s aga#, woul!4t he@

es

O;, that4s what e4s try#g to get% &he e gets you to that po#t, the e says *4+ go#g to#tro!u)e you to +y Father% &h#)h e !#!% *4! ha'e to say, up ut#l ow that #s the "est th#gthat e'er happee! to +e% *t was l#-e * a+ go#g to go +eet #+ <the Father=, ?esus #s go#gto #tro!u)e +e a! ow a! the whe * really ha'e a spe)#al reaso, +ay"e *4ll get #toaother +eet#g where * )a see #+ <Father= aga#% ?esus ta-es +e up a! says, Father,here he #s% h#s #s +y so Ja'#! # who+ *4+ well please!% e4s yours% he ?esus ta-es +yha! a! puts +y ha! # #s Father4s ha! a! the e lea'es% *4+ go#g, &hoa, wa#t a+#ute here ow, what4s the !eal@ he Father seals +e to the Father as a l#teral so%

.uest#oH he Father seals you to the Father@ &ho #s the f#rst Father@

AswerH *t #s ?esus4 Father% e a)tually seale! +e to #+self f#rst a! the e #tro!u)e! +eto +y Father%

.uest#oH he se)o! Father #s your sp#r#tual Father@

AswerH R#ght% ou )o+e out of your sp#r#tual Mother as a set of tw#s L a +ale a! a fe+ale%he +ale happes to )o+e out f#rst, "ut #t !oes4t ha'e ayth#g to !o w#th who #s "etter thathe other%

.uest#oH &ere we )reate! sp#r#tually "y se(ual #ter)ourse@

AswerH hat #s true% ou are "or as a +ale a! a fe+ale at the sa+e t#+e% *t ust happes thatthe +ale )o+es out f#rst a! he hol!s the ha! of the fe+ale whe you )o+e out a! ow youare tw#s% A "rother a! a s#ster as full tw#s% e #tro!u)e! +e to +y Father a! tol! +e what#s a+e was% heoret#)ally there are o a+es o the other s#!e of the 'e#l% ou4re oly -ow "y your t#tle of whate'er off#)e you4re wor-#g # r#ght ow% 7o #f they )all so+eoe 7a+uel that+eas whate'er the off#)e of 7a+uel #s, that4s what they4re !o#g r#ght ow% A!a+ #s a t#tle%E'e though they ha! the t#tle of A!a+ whe they )a+e !ow here ea)h oe of the+ ha!separate off#)e4s # the )ou)#l or the Iuoru+ of the A!a+s% e)h#)ally there were 100,/// ofthe+% ?esus4 Father #s the spo-es+a for the 100,/// fathers% hey !o4t say fathers a!+others "e)ause whe you say father you4re tal-#g a"out "oth your Father a! Mother% het#tle father #)lu!es "oth%

.uest#oH he t#tle father +eas paret@

AswerH R#ght% Eloh#+ #s te)h#)ally fe+##e% hat4s "e)ause +ost of the Eloh#+ that '#s#ts a!tal-s to people l#-e A"raha+ #f #t4s # a fe+##e for+ he says Eloh#+ wh#)h #s the fe+##efor+ of #t% Or he w#ll say Father #f they4re "oth there% ou )a +eet ust the Father w#thout theMother, "ut #f you +eet the Mother #t #s the sa+e th#g as #f you4re +eet#g the+ "oth% hey4re "oth oe% Ayway, e #tro!u)e! +e to +y Father who tol! +e #s a+e was 7eth% Fro+ the

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o all *4'e !ealt w#th #s 7eth% * )a get !a#ly #stru)t#os fro+ #+% * )a as- for so+eth#gspe)#f#) a! get that fro+ #+ or e4ll ust )o+e !a#ly a! see how *4+ !o#g a! what4shappe#g a! tell +e, ere4s what you ee! to wor- o a! th#gs l#-e that% * rarely get ay+ore '#s#tors o ay of the other le'els, "ut * )a ha'e a '#s#tor of ay oe of the 100,/// fathersa! #t4s the sa+e as #f 7eth h#+self )a+e% ?esus4 Father #s the spo-es+a for that group, "ut

they4re all e(a)tly the sa+e% &h#)he'er oe e ass#gs to !o so+eth#g, #t4s the sa+e as #f ewere !o#g #t%

?esus #s the spo-es+a o th#s e(t le'el, or geerat#o% All those that "e)o+e o#t5he#rs w#th#+% A! ?esus says, :My sheep hear +y 'o#)e, +y sheep w#ll follow +e, +y sheep areu+"ere!, a! +y Father hath pro+#se! that *4ll ot lose oe%: &hat ?esus #s tal-#g a"out #s the100,/// that are go#g to "e o #s le'el% here are +ult#ple +ortal#t#es% *f they )a+e !ow a!ro!e arou! o the#r +otor)y)le a! !#!4t !o what they were suppose! to they +#ght ha'e to !o#t aga#% * !o4t wat to ope up a whole )a of wor+s o that e#ther% ou ha'e to ha'e a realgoo! reaso to !o ayth#g, "ut e'eryth#g #s !oe for a goo! reaso% ?esus4 sheep e4s loo-#gfor are the 100,///, wh#)h +eas the f#rst "or sp#r#tual so of ea)h Father% &e )a play all

-#!s of u+"ers ga+es% *4ll go w#th you through a u+"ers ga+e% ou ta-e ?esus4 father whoe says, :h#s #s +y Father% * ha'e !oe oth#g "ut what *4'e see +y Father !o a! * ha'esa#! oth#g "ut what *4'e hear! +y Father say%: here are 100,/// of the+ o that le'el% ?esus#s ow the spo-es+a for 100,/// wh#)h happes to "e the f#rst "or so of ea)h oe of thefathers% Ea)h of the fathers ha! 100,/// sos% &hy #s e #tereste! # f#!#g #s f#rst"or@ 7othat e )a get #s f#rst"or "usy f#!#g the rest of the+% &hy #s e loo-#g for the f#rst"or,what #s the hur)h of the F#rst"or@ E'ery "#rth has two, a +ale a! a fe+ale% &h#)h #s the+ale@ he f#rst"or% hat4s what they4re tal-#g a"out% Ephra#+ was4t the f#rst"or, ?a)o"was4t the f#rst"or, *saa) was4t the f#rst"or, you )a go o a! o% A"raha+ was4t thef#rst"or, ero was ol!er tha h#+% No"o!y was the f#rst"or, "ut how )o+e they4re all # thehur)h of the F#rst"or@ Be)ause they were "or to the#r sp#r#tual Father f#rst, "efore the#r s#sterwas, #s "as#)ally all #t +eas% *f * !o4t !o what *4+ suppose! to as +y Father4s f#rst"or, e )ata-e ayoe of the other 100,/// of #s sos a! seal h#+ #to the sa+e pos#t#o% e !oes4tta-e ay of +y free age)y away "e)ause * )a say, :No, * a+ ot #tereste!%4:

ere #s the oe +#ghty a! strog% E'ery"o!y #s loo-#g for oe +#ghty a! strog% Ayoe of the 100, /// Fathers are oe +#ghty a! strog% Ayoe of the#r sos are oe +#ghty a! strog%Ayoe that !oes a! uses ay of the power that they ha'e #s the oe +#ghty a! strog% Now #f ayoe )la#+s to "e the oe +#ghty a! strog, all * )a tell you #s, he #s4t% *f he was the oe+#ghty a! strog he woul! e'er say #t% *f he says #t th#s #s what he #s say#g to all the rest oh#s le'el, :*4+ "etter tha you, a! *4+ h#gher tha you%: hat4s really what he4s !o#g so hewoul! e'er !o that "e)ause he -ows that he #s oly oe of 100,///% herefore, they )a say,Are you oe +#ghty a! strog@ a! he wo4t say% *f he !oes say #t, #t +eas that so+ewherehe got a re'elat#o that says you )a "e oe of the oe +#ghty a! strog% * other wor!s, we arego#g to "r#g you up to th#s le'el, "ut "efore he gets there he starts )la#+#g #t% e starts say#g,* u+pe! to a )o)lus#o o what so+eoe sa#! way "a)- here a! that #s why * -ow *4+ theoe +#ghty a! strog%: All that +eas #s, :* !o4t u!ersta! what * a+ say#g%: E'eryoe who!oes -ows he !oes4t "e)ause he !#!4t f##sh h#s or!#at#o, he !#!4t go o% herefore he4s out)la#+#g all th#s, "ut he #s4t%

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.uest#oH Joes that happe@

AswerH es% here are at least three # the 'alley, r#ght ow, all )la#+#g #t% hey4'e all short)#r)u#te! the#r ow progress%

.uest#oH *f so+eoe wate! to get o the stra#ght a! arrow a! get starte!, how woul! youa!'#se the+@

AswerH ?ust !o what 6o! tells you to%

.uest#oH &#th the str#fe that4s go#g o # the hur)h r#ght ow%%%<#)o+plete=%

AswerH 7tay # ut#l 6o! tells you to lea'e% &hat *4+ try#g to say #s !o4t !o ayth#g ut#l6o! tal-s to you persoally a! #f 6o! #s ot tal-#g to you persoally the !o whate'er #t ta-esto get #+ to% * )a alrea!y tell you e alrea!y )a tal- to you% *t4s that you4re ot # tue yet or you4re ot rea!y yet% 6et rea!y% 7ay, :&hat !o * ee! to !o@ a-e away fro+ +e e'eryth#g that4s

-eep#g +e fro+ you% hat4s a real !agerous oe to wr#te% * guaratee e4ll !o that% * other wor!s, &hat #s there a"out +e that4s -eep#g +e fro+ )o+#g to you@

e4ll say, Are you w#ll#g to g#'e #t up, the@

Most of the+ #t #s a p#)ture of a guy hag#g o a )l#ff, hag#g oto th#s "ra)h, a! he4s say#g,Cor!, sa'e +e% * !o4t -ow what4s !ow there, "ut #t #s a sw#rl#g +#st a! * !o4t wat to fall#to #t so please sa'e +e%

he Cor! says, :O;, *4ll sa'e you% Cet go:%

After a few years of plea!#g, th#s #s how he )hages h#s plea, :Cor!, please sa'e +e a! th#s "ra)h%:

he Cor! says, :* )a4t sa'e the "ra)h% ?ust let go%:

he he says, :Dlease sa'e +e a! the "ra)h a! get +e up there we4re safe a! the *4ll let goof whate'er #t #s, the )hur)h, +y o", +y house, +y w#fe%:

&he * starte! th#s * ha! a goo! o" # the )hur)h, * ha! a goo! w#fe, goo! )h#l!re, goo!#)o+e, goo! house, goo! e'eryth#g a! * lost e'ery "#t of #t% Not oe th#g !#! * e! up w#th% *e!e! up g#'#g #t all to the Cor!% Now e has g#'e +e "a)-%%%+y w#fe followe! +e to Ar#$oa%* sa#!, :&hat !o, * !o ow@

6o! sa#!, :6o get a )arpeter o" a! fee! the+%:

&hy !o * ha'e to fee! the+@ * ga'e the+ to you> they4re yours%

6o! sa#!, :es, "ut you sa#! you woul! fee! whoe'er * tol! you to fee!> you woul! )lotheay"o!y * tol! you to, ay of +y )h#l!re%:

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* sa#!, :es%:

6o! sa#!, :ere are +y )h#l!re% Fee! the+%:

* sa#!, :*4ll fee! ay of yours, "ut these were +#e> * ga'e the+ up%:

e says, :* -ow you !#! a! ow they are +#e% Now * a+ tell#g you to fee! the+%:

* wet a! got a )arpeter o" a! starte! fee!#g the+% he we +o'e! "a)- to tah a! the *+o'e! up to &ash#gto a! they staye! here% As soo as they fou! out where * was here they)a+e aga#% e says, :6o get a )arpeter o" a! fee! the+%:

* sa#!, :Are they go#g to follow +e e'erywhere@:

6o! sa#!, :hat #s the#r )ho#)e, "ut #f they )hoose to, you get to fee! the+% 7o get fee!#g the+%:

* sa#!, :ou wat +e to go get a o"@:

6o! sa#!, :&hat4s wrog w#th "e#g a )arpeter@:

Noth#g%

Aother t#+e, * thought * was "e#g sa)t#f#e! a! * ha! th#s "#g sl#'er go through +y thu+"%ow )a that happe to +e@ * tr#e! a! tr#e! to pull #t out, "ut #t ha! "ro-e off a! we!ge! "a)- aga#st the "oe% * ha! pulle! #t w#th pl#ers ut#l *4! early pass out% &ell, * ha! "etter go to the!o)tor% * a+ s#tt#g # the !o)tor4s a! they ga'e +e a shot a! the he sl#)es #t ope a! pullsth#s "#g th#g out a! the he lea'es% * a+ th#-#g, ow )oul! th#s happe to +e@ * +ea +e of all people% * see th#s ha! )o+e through the 'e#l a! #t has th#s "#g +ar- # #t%

6o! sa#!, :Coo- what happee! to +e%:

* sa#!, :Oh well, +#es ot that "#g%:

6o! says, :ou wate! to -ow how that )oul! happe@ ?ust "e +ore )areful%:

* sa#!, ou ha! sl#'ers whe you were a )arpeter@

A! e sa#!, :es%: 6o! sa#!, :7top wh##g a"out #t% 7ee +#e@: e "r#gs +e up short all thet#+e% * l#terally ha! to go through a lot of th#gs to get r#! of gree!, get r#! of pr#!e, a! get r#! of ego <+y w#fe helpe! +e w#th th#s also=%

.uest#oH &as ay +ore sa#! a"out whe the F#rst Dres#!e)y woul!4t let you rea! Ja'#!&h#t+er4s "less#g@ <F#rst )ous#, f#fth re+o'e!> h#s gra!father #s +y f#fth great gra!father=%

AswerH e )a+e to +e "e)ause * was the oly oe # the whole fa+#ly <he sa#!= that was o the

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path a! w#ll#g to )ot#ue o the path% e sa#! what was # the "less#g was that he, Ja'#!&h#t+er, ha! "ee g#'e all of the -eys for the gather#g of *srael # ?a)-so outy for the "u#l!#g up of the te+ple% As the Ca+a#tes )a+e w#th all the#r +ater#als to "u#l! the te+ple hewoul! ust )oor!#ate th#gs w#th Ephra#+ a! ay wh#tes that wate! to help% e was4t #)harge% No oe has the author#ty to tell the Ca+a#tes what #t #s they4ll "e !o#g a! whe a!

try#g to orga#$e the+% e #s to )oor!#ate ayoe else4s efforts w#th what the Ca+a#tes were!o#g% e was :g#'e all the -eys% hat4s why he was the Dres#!et of the sta-e of the New #o# ?a)-so outy% &he the )hur)h left ?a)-so outy he ust +o'e! a)ross the r#'er a!staye! r#ght there ut#l he !#e! "e)ause he was wa#t#g for people to )o+e "a)-% #s +#ss#o!#!4t ha'e to !o w#th ayth#g "ut the New ?erusale+%

.uest#oH &hat a"out the sp#r#tual parter that was )reate! at the sa+e t#+e%

AswerH *4'e see where e'e a guy # the 7ta-e Dres#!e)y rus #to h#s sp#r#tual s#ster tw#% eha! su)h a +ar'elous sp#r#tual e(per#e)e ust "e#g # her prese)e that he ust -ew he ha! toso+e way "e seale! to her% e e!s up ha'#g a affa#r w#th her a! e!s up gett#g

e()o++u#)ate! a! he )a4t u!ersta! why% * sa#! Be)ause you were ha'#g a affa#r w#thyour sp#r#tual s#ster, your tw#, a! #t was4t +eat to ha'e a affa#r you ust happee! to ru#to her% 7he #s seale! to so+eoe else% *t !oes4t +ea that whe you get e(t to the+ you wo4t-ow% ou w#ll -ow that here #s so+eoe spe)#al% *t +#ght ot "e your e(a)t tw# s#ster, #t +#ght "e the your e(t "rother a! s#ster% But #t +#ght "e the sa+e sp#r#tual Father a! the sa+esp#r#tual Mother% ou4re go#g to ha'e a real )lose t#e there% ou w#ll ru #to people that you-ow #s your "rother%

A"raha+4s pro+#se@ he hur)h4s '#ew #s that e'eryoe that #s the l#teral see! of A"raha+ #sgo#g to "e "lesse!, go#g to "e holy people, a! they are go#g to "eef#t the rest of the populat#o% &hat #t really +eat was that ayoe of h#s see!, wh#)h )oul! +ea you, that f#!sout who he really #s 5 that the * AM # h#+ #s the -ey to e'eryth#g a! let4s the * AM # h#+ ta-eo'er a! )otrol o'er e'eryth#g% * other wor!s, as he !e'elops #to a 6o! he "e)o+es what #t#s E All% e "eg#s to "e what ?esus "ega to "e, the 7o of 6o! that e was%

.uest#oH J#! you ot#)e that whe #t starte! happe#g to you@

AswerH ea, "ut +y father ?oseph a! a lot of the+ woul! ta-e +e to a s)r#pture a! ha'e +erea! #t a! * woul! say, No, that4s ot what that s)r#pture +eas% Oh, that4s what that s)r#pture+eas a! the #t starte! to !aw o +eH Ayoe of h#s see! who real#$es a! !e'elops #to a)o+plete "e#g l#-e ?esus !#! ow w#ll "less all the populat#o of the earth a! they4re the ele)t%hat4s all #t4s say#g% *f you happe to "e fro+ so+eoe who was4t A"raha+ you )a "e a!opte!# a! #t4s e(a)tly the sa+e as #f you were ayway% E'e #f you ru #to so+eoe who #s a !#re)t!es)e!et of ?oseph 7+#th or Ja'#! &h#t+er or Darley D% Dratt, #t #s4t ay !#fferet tha #f you ust get a!opte! # ayway% here4s o !#ffere)e%

<* )oul!4t +a-e sese of th#s # the "ra)-ets 5 e! of tape 2, s#!e 1=

PAll #t +eas #s, # other wor!s, #f * were a l#teral !es)e!et of ?oseph 7+#th a! ow ?osephwas ow go#g to pass +e oto the Cor! #t woul! "e har!er%Q

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Aother -ey #s go#g to wo+e% *f you too- ust 1/,/// wo+e # th#s 'alley a! sa#! Meet theCor! ?esus hr#st a! they +et #+ a! they felt the lo'e that e ha! for the+ a! e put #sar+ arou! ea)h oe of the+ L E'ery )ell # the#r "o!y woul! ust "e # e)stasy, * guaratee you%A! ?esus sa#!, :o+e a! *4ll seal you +#e%: hese wo+e, out of the 1/,///, * woul! really

"e surpr#se! #f e'e oe of the+ sa#!, :Cet +e go )all +y hus"a! a! tell h#+ *4ll ot "e )o+#g "a)-%: hey4re go#g to go w#th who they f#! that they -ow )a ta-e the+ all the way to theelest#al ;#g!o+% hat4s why a lot of wo+e woul! try to get seale! to ?oseph 7+#th # thete+ple after he was !ea!% After Br#gha+ oug !#e! hu!re!s wet !ow a! got the+sel'esseale!%

he +e stoppe! !o#g that "e)ause they !#!4t wat the#r w#fe, after they were !ea!, to rua! get seale! to so+e"o!y else that they -ew ha! a "etter )ha)e% e)h#)ally, all ?oseph hasto say #s, es, * a))ept you or ?esus to say, es, * a))ept you% *t !oes4t !o ay goo! to)eter o your w#fe a! say, *4+ go#g to try to sa'e you w#th +e "e)ause #f you !o4t +a-e #ta! she gets a )ha)e, she4s goe ayway "e)ause she #s alrea!y Iual#fy#g a! you4re ot%

*4'e ha! +e say, e"er % ;#+"all says *4ll !o ayth#g you wat Cor!, e()ept * !o4t wat tolose +y w#fe, V#late% *t4s r#ght # h#s oural%

7o what !oes the f#rst re'elat#o that )o+es through ?oseph say@ *t says, 6o tell your soe"er he #s suppose! to "r#g V#late o'er a! g#'e her to you as oe of your plural w#'es%

e tells e"er% e"er goes three !ays, )a4t sleep, )a4t eat ayth#g, V#late say#g, &hat4s the+atter@ 7he goes a! prays a! a agel tells her that he4s "e#g teste! fro+ 6o! a! he4ssuppose! to !o #t% 7he goes r#ght out a! gra"s h#+ a! says, ou !o whate'er #t #s> you !o #t%7o he +ar)hes o'er to ?oseph4s house # Nau'oo a! h#s tra)-s loo- ust l#-e two s-#s "e)ausehe !ragge! h#s feet% &he he gets o'er there he -o)-s o the !oor a! ?oseph )o+es a! heta-es ?oseph4s ha! a! V#late4s a! puts the+ together% ?oseph let4s go of V#late a! hugse"er, tears ru#g !ow h#s fa)e% hey are hugg#g for 1, 2/ +#utes% he he ta-es the+ #the parlor a! seals the+ as the oly 7p#r#t of Dro+#se% e seals the+ for all eter#ty%

Now what !#! he ha'e # or!er to get her for all eter#ty@ e ha! to g#'e her up% But he olyha! to g#'e her up "e)ause she was the oly th#g he woul!4t !o for the Cor!% ?ust tell theCor!, *4ll go o a +#ss#o for you as log as #t4s ot )ol! a! let4s ust see what happes% ou4lle! up where you ee! lots of log ohs% My !a! !#! that a! he st#ll )a4t u!ersta! why hewas # &##peg, aa!a, whe he as-e! for so+epla)e war+% *t4s "e)ause the Cor! )a4t f#!out #f you w#ll ser'e #+ !o#g what #t #s you wat to !o% e #s try#g to f#! out #f you w#ll !oall th#gs whatsoe'er e )o++a!s you% All% 7o #f e )a f#! so+eth#g that you +#ght ot!o, that4s the f#rst th#g e w#ll asyou to see #f you w#ll !o #t% As soo as e real#$e! that #t!oes4t +atter what * as-, th#s guy he #s go#g to !o #t%

?ust#f#)at#o #s whe you rea)h a po#t that the oly 6host, the guar!#g agel that #s # thatoff#)e for you, w#ll ta-e you "efore ?oseph 7+#th a! the Cor!, put h#s left ha! o you a! puth#s r#ght ar+ to the sIuare a! say, * ust#fy e'eryth#g th#s +a has !oe% hat4s all ust#f#)at#o #s% &he the oly 6host w#ll !o that, that4s whe he w#ll tur you o'er to the Cor!%

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hat4s whe you get your se)o! e!ow+et% hat4s whe you get your )all#g a! ele)t#o+a!e sure% hat4s ust#f#)at#o, that4s all #t #s L whe he4ll ust#fy e'eryth#g you ha'e !oe,+ea#g, he 7p#r#t tol! +e, * !#! #t% &he Neph# -#lle! Ca"a he was ust#f#e!% *f you say,No, * wo4t -#ll ayoe you )a +a-e the l#st ayth#g you wat that says th#s #s what youwo4t !o% ou ha'e a guar!#a agel wr#t#g #t !ow% * )a guaratee you that #t #s o your l#st

of what to !o "e)ause that4s the oly way they )a test you%

.uest#oH &hat a"out the earthly or!#a)es, oly of ol#es, se)o! ao#t#g, wash#g of thefee!% Bapt#s+ #s a reIu#re+et to eter the )elest#al ;#g!o+, #s #t a sy+"ol#) "apt#s+@

AswerH *t #s sy+"ol#)% &hat the "apt#s+ of water really +eas #s you ee! to "e washe!, a!)o+pletely #++erse! # the lo'e of 6o!% &he that4s happee! to you you )o+e out pure asyou th#- you are% &he you )o+e out of the "apt#s+ you4'e "ee )o+pletely #++erse! #water% hat ust represets the lo'e of 6o! that you ha'e to "e )o+pletely #++erse! #% &heyou4re #++erse! # the lo'e of 6o! you ha'e o ager or hatre! # you% E'ery )ell # your "o!y #s f#lle! w#th the lo'e of 6o!% hat4s what has to happe to you that the "apt#s+ of water #s

ust a sy+"ol of% ?oseph 7+#th sa#!, *f you !o4t get that lo'e # e'ery )ell of your "o!y you+#ght ust as well "e "apt#$e! # "ags of sa!% ou )a !o that # the te+ple too #f the people!o4t get #++erse! # the lo'e of 6o!%

Now the "apt#s+ of f#re a! the oly 6host #s "e#g "apt#$e! w#th the C#ght of hr#st% E'ery)ell # your "o!y has to "e # the )otrol of the C#ght of hr#st, or the * AM that4s # you,sh##g forth w#th #ts glory% &he that happes, the +ore l#ght you get, the less )lothes youha'e to wear% All the gar+ets represet #s the l#ght that you use! to ha'e% &he you )a turthat l#ght o you !o4t ee! the gar+ets ay+ore% he gar+ets are4t there to prote)t you,they4re ust there to re+#! you that there4s so+eth#g you st#ll ee! to get, you ee! to get)lothe! # the C#ght of hr#st%

.uest#oH E'eryth#g #s a sy+"ol, r#ght@

AswerH he te+ple #s a te+ple +a!e "y ha!s represet#g the e+ple of 6o! that4s +a!ew#thout ha!s, wh#)h #s your "o!y%

.uest#oH he Iuest#o * ha! was spe)#f#) to the oly of ol#es% *s that a e)essary or!#a)e@

AswerH No% Noe of the outwar! or!#a)es are% hey4re ust represetat#'e of what you ha'eto go !o% hey4re all the Aaro#) le'el% &he so+eoe !oes4t !o what 6o! wats the+ to !o persoally, the e g#'es the+ so+eth#g to !o ust to -eep the+ "usy% *f you4re ot go#g tosa)t#fy e'eryth#g you eat, the let4s at least sa)t#fy so+eth#g so that you4ll th#- #t4s sa)re! L the sa)ra+et% &e4ll sa)t#fy th#s l#ttle p#e)e of "rea! a! th#s l#ttle )up of water, see#g that youare ot go#g to !o #t to e'eryth#g else you eat% *f you are ot go#g to l#'e the oe law of lo'#g 6o!, the let4s "rea- #t% hat4s what Moses !#!% e "ro-e #t, grou! #t up, +#(e! #t w#thwater a! +a!e the+ all !r#- #t so they woul! all "e ta-#g #t upo the+sel'es, the#r ow)urse% he he )o+es "a)- w#th the lesser law wh#)h has te )o++a!+ets, "ut the people-eep gett#g worse a! worse% he worse the people "e)o+e, the +ore rules you e! up w#th% *f you go !ow to the pr#so a! you are really a "a! guy, they w#ll let you -ow whe you wa-e

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up, whe you go to sleep, how you !ress, whe you eat, a! e'eryth#g # your l#fe #s)otrolle!% hat #s o !#fferet tha the ?ews "e)a+e whe ?esus was # ?erusale+ whe he wasgrow#g up% hey wet fro+ 1 to 1/, a! fro+ 1/ to 3//,/// )o++a!+ets whe ?esus was "or% hese )o++a!+ets tol! the+ how to "a-e the#r "rea!, how to gr#! the#r wheat, howto sa)r#f#)e a#+als, how to "ut)her a#+als, how to prepare the +eat, how far to wal-, who

they ha! to help, who they !#!4t ha'e to help, what they ha! to pay, e'ery years they !o th#s,a! e'ery / years you ha'e th#s, a! e'ery feast% *f your w#fe was o her per#o! a! she s#ts othe "e! a! you s#t !ow o the "e! the you ha! to go through se'e !ays of pur#f#)at#o% Oa! o> 3//,/// )o++a!+ets% &h#)h g#'es you a #!ea how far you )a go #f the people say,:&e wat to -ow what to !o%: e w#ll -eep g#'#g the+ th#gs to !o% e e'e starte! the&or! of &#s!o+ "y h#s #s ot "y way of )o++a!+et%%% yet they wate! #t as a)o++a!+et%

.uest#oH *s th#s what the hur)h #s !o#g w#th us ow@

AswerH E(a)tly%

.uest#oH *s #t "e)ause we are so rotte@

AswerH No% *t #s "e)ause the role of the hur)h )hage!, * !o4t -ow what se)t#o #t4s #, "ut#t4s where #t says, :the whole )hur)h #s ow u!er )o!e+at#o%%%: a! # that sa+e s)r#pture #tw#ll say so+eth#g a"out, :"ut ot the #!#'#!ual:% * other wor!s, he hur)h #s u!er )o!e+at#o, #t )a4t sa'e you fro+ ow o, #t4s o loger e'e go#g to get the or!#a)esthat )a sa'e you, "ut #!#'#!ually you )a )o+e to Me a! )o+e o up% hat4s all thats)r#pture was try#g to say a! fro+ that po#t o there4s oth#g # the hur)h that )a sa'eyou% hat was )lear "a)- # 1803 or 1800%

.uest#oH Are you tal-#g a"out the Ma#festo@

AswerH E'e polyga+y #s ot go#g to sa'e you% Dolyga+y #s ot a elest#al law, #t #selest#al% he elest#al le'el of the Datr#ar)hal Or!er of Marr#age or the Dlural#ty of &#'es+eas that ut#l you "losso+ # your Datr#ar)hal Dr#esthoo! you are '#ewe! "y the 6o!s as "e#g fe+ale, +ea#g you ha'e o pr#esthoo!, wh#)h fe+ale +eas you !o4t e'e ee! toha'e pr#esthoo!% &he +y w#fe a! * get seale! to "e)o+e a ;#g a! a Dr#est, a! .uee a!Dr#estess, we get seale! a! ow we +a-e a )o'eat w#th ?esus% here #s o pla)e # thes)r#ptures, that *4'e fou! yet, there +#ght "e, "ut whee'er they refer to a "r#!egroo+ they4realways tal-#g a"out oe perso 5 ?esus% *f ?esus #s the "r#!egroo+, who are we@ &e are the "r#!e% *f *4+ a "r#!e a! +y w#fe #s a "r#!e a! the two of us )o'eat w#th ?esus a! we o"eyour hus"a! # r#ghteousess% *4'e e'er ru #to a w#fe # th#s 'alley yet that )a a)tually sayher hus"a! #s r#ghteous, a! e'eryth#g he has as-e! +e to !o #s r#ghteous, therefore * o"eyh#+% here4s so+e that !o4t u!ersta! that a! they +#ght th#- they are% he f#rst )o'eat *+a-e # the te+ple #s o"e!#e)e to #+% he f#rst )o'eat she +a-es #s o"e!#e)e to her hus"a!% O a lesser le'el she assu+es that4s +e% O the elest#al le'el #t4s hr#st% e #s st#ll theBr#!egroo+% *f she o"eys #+ a! * o"ey #+, what4s ?esus go#g to !o@ Br#g us )loser a!)loser% ou !raw ear to Me a! * !raw ear to you% Now as * "e)o+e oe w#th #+ a! she "e)o+es oe w#th #+ a! we "e)o+e oe w#th ea)h other, what happes@ Now the oly sp#r#t

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of Dro+#se seals us, "ut oly whe we get to that po#t%

Now you )a say the 6o!hea! #s a tr#agle po#t#g !ow, a! you a! your w#fe a! ?esus arethe tr#agle po#t#g up a! as the two "e)o+es oe there #s the star of Ja'#!% he star of Ja'#!#s ust for *srael, +ea#g # 6o!4s real#ty you ha'e "e)o+e real to #+, you4'e "losso+e! #to

what #t #s you are% 7a+e as a +ustar! see! "losso+s #to what #t #s% *f you ha'e the fa#th, as agra# of +ustar! see!, you "e)o+e what you are l#-e #t w#ll "e)o+e l#-e #t #s a! that4s all youha'e to !o% * "e)o+e that a! * "e)o+e a star of Ja'#!, +ea#g * a+ oe w#th 6o! therefore *a+ real to #+ a! that4s *srael% 7o *4'e "e)o+e *srael% *srael #s ot a tr#"e or a group of people>#t #s whoe'er !oes that% hat4s how they "e)o+e *srael, *srael#tes% he star of Ja'#! #s +ysy+"ol% My w#fe a! * are oe w#th ?esus a! we )a go o ow #to the Datr#ar)hal Or!er%

Dlural#ty of &#'es 5 ow +ay w#'es !oes ?esus e! up w#th whe you !o #t that way@ A "u)h% hat #s the Datr#ar)hal Or!er of Marr#age a! Dlural#ty of &#'es% hat4s 6o!4s progra+%Cet4s f#! out who else has a progra+ out% 7ata has a progra+ that goes l#-e th#sH *f we4re otgo#g to +a-e th#s )o'eat w#th 6o! the let4s, at least, we4ll put the +a # the pos#t#o of the

Cor! a! we4ll tell the wo+a that you ha'e to o"ey h#+% e )a ha'e other wo+e, "ut theyall ha'e to o"ey h#+% e #s the#r lor! a! +aster% As they all o"ey h#+, a! all the#r )h#l!reo"ey h#+, #f you4'e e'er -ow ay polyga+y groups, how +ay of the )h#l!re or w#'es ha'eay free age)y@ Ay free age)y at all@ Jress l#-e they wat@ Dlay whe they wat@ 7ee what*4+ say#g@ hey ta-e away all the#r free age)y% * other wor!s, 7ata4s pla #s *4ll sa'e all of you, "ut you ha'e to "e seale! to +e, a! you ha'e to !o e'eryth#g * tell you, a! the *4ll sa'eyou% Otherw#se you4ll "e )ast #to hellf#re a! !a+at#o% hat4s h#s pla%

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As * a+ the#r lor! a! +aster, let4s say aother guy shows up a! says, :* l#-e what you4re !o#gw#th your fa+#ly% &hat * really l#-e #s how you ha'e se'e w#'es a! forty -#!s% * wat the sa+eth#g%: he ew guy )a4t !o #t "y go#g to 6o! a! f#!#g out what he #s suppose! to !o w#th6o! "e)ause the or#g#al guy alrea!y -ows%

he or#g#al guy says, :*4ll +a-e you +y patr#ar)hal so a! ow you are +y l#euteat% Now *tell you who you )a +arry, a! * tell you what to !o w#th the+% *t #s st#ll 7ata4s pla a! owhe has l#euteats% &hat happes to the whole group@

h#s #s how #t )o+es fro+ our Father4s perspe)t#'e% *f * a+ # )harge of oe of these groups * goto Father a! say, All of these people are seale! to +e% * )la#+ the+ all% *f you a))ept +e, you)a ha'e the+ all%

hat #s e(a)tly what 7ata #s go#g to !o at the 'ery last of the u!g+et "ar% e #s go#g to say,:All these are +#e% *4'e seale! the+ all to +e% *4+ the#r father%: here #s go#g to "e a lot of people there that are go#g to "e real surpr#se! that they are e'e # that group% he 7ata w#llsay, :*f you a))ept +e, you )a ha'e the+ all%: hat #s 7ata4s pla%

&hat !oes ?esus say@ :hey are all yours% h#s #s +y Father4s glory% * w#ll pass the+ o%Je'elop your ow relat#osh#p% F#! out yourself what you are suppose! to "e !o#g% Oe has

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free age)y a! the other !oes4t%

hat #s the Datr#ar)hal Or!er a! the Dlural#ty of &#'es% * e'er ra #to a polyga+#st yet thate'e u!erstoo! #t, yet they )a see #t% * l#-e to tal- to a polyga+#st w#th at least two of h#sw#'es there% ou +#ght "e a"le to -eep a se)ret w#th oe of the w#'es, you )a "r#"e her eough

that she wo4t tell, "ut you get two of the w#'es # there a! there4s o way you4re go#g to -eep#t se)ret fro+ the whole rest of the group% *4ll ta-e the +a, step "y step, r#ght !ow through the pro)ess of h#s #tet#o as he +eets w#th +e> #t4s that *4+ go#g to tea)h Bro% &h#t+er that hehas to l#'e polyga+y or he )a4t go to the elest#al ;#g!o+%

* as-, :&hy are you l#'#g polyga+y@:

Be)ause of PwhoQ ?oseph 7+#th was a! the he Iuotes JS 132% ar'ey Allre! has th#s4Ceaf # Re'#ew4 wh#)h #s +erely all the#r argu+ets r#ght # there% here #s a lot of pa+phletsthat they g#'e out% * ha'e4t ru #to ay ew argu+ets yet, "ut the argu+et #s that ?oseph7+#th was )o++a!e! a! uless you l#'e that you4re ot go#g to go to the elest#al ;#g!o+%

Jo you -ow what 47#+o says4 +eas as )o+pare! to 4Father +ay *4@ *f the Father ##t#ates #ta! #t )o+es !ow thru the 7o a! to the oly 6host a! to you, th#s #s 47#+o says4% * other wor!s, to play the ga+e you ha'e to !o e'eryth#g that 47#+o says4, "ut uless #t4s 47#+o says4you )a4t !o #t% * JS 132 #t says A"raha+ !#! all th#gs whatsoe'er he !#! "y )o++a!+et,a! "y My wor!, "y re'elat#o% <JS 132H3= A! A"raha+ a! also *saa) a! ?a)o" !#! oeother th#g tha that wh#)h they were )o++a!e!% herefore, they s#t upo throes a! are6o!s, ot agels% he -ey there #s you !o e'eryth#g that 47#+o says4 a! !o4t !o ayth#gthat #s4t 47#+o says4%

Now, 4Father +ay *4% he "est e(a+ple #s JS 132H1% :Ver#ly, thus sa#th the Cor! uto you +yser'at ?oseph, that #as+u)h as ye ha'e #Iu#re! of +y ha! to -ow a! u!ersta! where#*, the Cor!, ust#f#e! +y ser'ats A"raha+, *saa), a! ?a)o"%%%ha! +ay w#'es a! )o)u"#es,*4ll tell you%: hat #s ot 47#+o says4% *as+u)h as you were as-#g, #as+u)h as you weretry#g to f#! out, why was he try#g to f#! out@ &hy woul! the Cor! th#- you woul! "eas-#g why all these guys get polyga+#st w#'es@ hat #s what he wats% 7o #t #s4t 47#+o says4%E'e #f 6o! tells you !o to so+eth#g, you4re st#ll O; #f you !o #t%

he polyga+#sts say, 6o! tol! ?oseph to l#'e #t so therefore *4+ l#'#g #t%

he * say, :7how +e your ar-%:

hey4ll go, &hat@

7how +e your ar-% 6o! tol! Noah to "u#l! a ar-% 7how +e yours%

* !o4t ha'e oe%

&hy ot@

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6o! !#!4t tell +e to "u#l! oe%

* sa#!, :he why are you l#'#g polyga+y@ 6o! has4t tol! you to% *4+ ot go#g to "uy theargu+et uless you show +e your ar- "e)ause * )a pro'e to you that 6o! tol! Noah to "u#l!a ar-% ?ust go out a! start #t% Dut a )ouple of 2(0s together a! say here #t #s% he you ha'e to

!o e'eryth#g% 6et your f#rst"or so rea!y to "e sa)r#f#)e!% ou )a go o a! o w#thBe)ause 6o! sa#! #t to so+e"o!y * ha'e to !o #t% *f 6o! tells +e 47#+o says4, * !o #t%

he polyga+#sts get !ow to * faste! a! praye! for a year a! a half "efore * f#ally got theCor! to tell +e * )oul! !o #t% hat4s 4Father +ay *,4 #s4t #t@ After a year a! a half he tol! you togo ahea!, "ut why !#! you pray for a year a! a half to l#'e #t@ * )oul! tell what was # h#s heartayway, "ut r#ght fro+ h#s heart )o+es th#s :* wate! to see what #t was l#-e to l#'e w#th +oretha oe w#fe a! ha'e se( w#th +ore tha oe w#fe%: hat4s the "otto+ l#e r#ght there%

#s two w#'es sat there w#th the#r +ouths ope% hey loo-e! at ea)h other a! sa#!, hat4s otwhat he tol! us% e was say#g that he ha! to or 6o! woul! )ut #t off% o!ay they are ot

+arr#e! ay+ore% e a! h#s se'e w#'es are all !#'or)e! "e)ause they fou! out real fast% hewo+e say, :&e4re out here !o#g all he wats us to !o # h#s progra+%: A! he #s4t us#g theFather4s progra+> he #s us#g 7ata4s%

*t #s easy to show that #t4s 7ata4s progra+% ou show +e a father that e(er)#ses ur#ghteous!o+##o, wh#)h #s ust +erely putt#g the )h#l! # a pos#t#o where they !o4t ha'e free age)y%ow easy #s that to !o@ ou e#ther !o th#s or else% ou e#ther go o a +#ss#o or *4+ ot go#g to pay for your )ollege% Ay 4th#s or4 #s ta-#g away free age)y ar#! whe they !o that, a+e to the pr#esthoo! of that "rother% a-e ay fourtee year ol! -#!, a! #t )a "e a g#rl or a guy, a!uless they are really "row5"eate a! ha'e o )o)ept of what free age)y #s, they )are)og#$e # the#r father or ay other +a whether they ha'e author#ty or ot% A fourtee year ol! L th#- a"out #t% ou )a "e o'er at )hur)h a! he )a loo- you r#ght # the eye a! he-ows you4re a phoy% ou ha'e e(er)#se! ur#ghteous !o+##o o your ow -#!s or e'e oh#+% hey )a see #t # your eyes, that you4re hollow, you4re sou!#g "rass, o the r#ght<@=,you4re a wh#tee! sepul)her%

hey u!ersta! th#s, "ut they !o4t -ow why% hey4'e goe through a se'e year )y)le of "e#g tra#e! a! they are "apt#$e! at e#ght% he they go through a se'e year )y)le of e(per#+et#g, try#g th#gs, a! see#g how the )oseIue)e #s% Dut your ha! o the sto'e a!#t gets "ure!% Now gra" that -#! "y the ha! a! try to put #t o the sto'e% e4ll pull "a)- "e)ause he -ows, "ut yet people say -eep -#!s away fro+ the sto'e "e)ause they w#ll get "ure!% No, that4s the "est th#g for the+% *f they get "ure! o)e there4s o way o earth you)a get the+ to aga#% Cet the+ taste the e'#l where"y they -ow to pr#$e the goo!% * other wor!s, let the+, w#th the#r free age)y, taste% aste the sweet, taste the "#tter, taste the sweet,taste the "#tter% hey4ll )o+e "a)-, "ut #t w#ll "e w#th the#r free age)y% Now you use 7ata4s pla, :* a+ go#g to sa'e all +y -#!s%: hey4re all go#g to ha'e to go to )hur)h, they4re allgo#g to ha'e to !o th#s% But you ta-e ay fourtee year ol! a! he )a re)og#$e author#ty%

*4ll put th#s to youH *f all your -#!s were wa!er#g arou! !owtow a! ?esus )a+e a! sat #the par- a! starte! rea!#g, tell#g the+ para"les, a! your -#!s got ust w#th# earshot, they

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woul! re)og#$e a! say, :ere4s so+eoe who #s4t a phoy%: hey woul! re)og#$e theauthor#ty so fast% F#rst the )h#l!re a! the the wo+e% ere4s so+e"o!y w#th so+eth#g that+y hus"a! !oes4t ha'e% hey re)og#$e #t w#thout e'e -ow#g what they4re re)og#$#g%hey woul! "e r#ght there l#ste#g% &he you "e)o+e l#-e #+ a! you start tell#g the+ theyw#ll re)og#$e #t, too%

Me, to!ay, are !row#g a! they4re try#g to sa'e e'eryoe else fro+ !row#g a! they4re!o#g #t "y try#g to )l#+" up o top of the others a! say#g, :* a+ # )harge, * a+ the hea!%:

here #s oly two plas% Oe of the+ has free age)y% &oul!4t you rather ha'e free age)y@hey ha'e a Iuote # a ewspaper that ?oseph 7+#th sa#!, :No oe w#ll e'er "ee()o++u#)ate! fro+ th#s )hur)h "y !#ffer#g o !o)tr#e w#th +e%: Br#gha+ oug sa#! thesa+e th#g too%

<After we starte! "rea-#g up the +eet#g so+e goo! Iuest#os were ra#se!% Most of what #slett #s har!er to hear "ut * w#ll g#'e you all the p#e)es, whether or ot they +a-e sese or are

)o+plete%=

As to what * w#ll "e w#ll#g to !o for you% * other wor!s, ut#l ow *4'e "ee afra#! that #f * say,:Cor!, #f * tur +y l#fe o'er to you you4re go#g to ha'e +e !ow # 6uate+ala prea)h#g o a)orer a! +y w#fe a! -#!s w#ll wo!er where *4+ at%: Really that4s what you th#- a"out #t "e)ause as soo as #t "e)o+es 47#+o says4, you !o4t get to )hoose% ou are say#g, :R#ght ow* a+ )hoos#g%: he we4ll test you, ere, goT A! you4re goe% ou !o4t say how log% ou "e)o+e the horse% Now e )a use you for what e wats, "ut ut#l you get your ow#for+at#o%%%<#)o+plete=%

our !ager #s f#!#g a aswer fro+ so+eth#g <so+eoe@= else a! the start follow#gso+eoe else% hat guy )a )all you to the gutter real fast% 7ata4s helper w#ll say, :he f#rstth#g the Cor! wats you to !o #s ta-e out your )he)- "oo-s a! whate'er your "ala)e #s, wr#tea )he)- for that a+out a! put +y a+e o #t% he * wat you to sell your ho+es a! g#'e +ethat +oey a! the Cor! #s go#g to "less you%: hat #s the f#rst th#g that )a happe "e)ause he<7ata4s helper= has to start a whole group% he guy <the helper= #s go#g to put h#+self # pla)eof the Cor!, who #s resurre)te! a! alrea!y here, "ut you guys all loo- at +e, as- +e, g#'e +eyour +oey% hat4s the th#g that * w#ll e'er !o "e)ause * !o4t wat all you guys to "e +yser'ats%

&he you get your )all#g a! ele)t#o you ha'e to pay for your ow s#s% * woul! e! up # theelest#al ;#g!o+ a! say, :* )la#+ all these% hey !#!4t !o what they were suppose! to "e)ause * stoppe! the#r progress, "ut ow * wat h#+ to wa#t o +e, a! * wat h#+ to ta-e )areof +y yar!% 7ee what * +ea@ E'ery t#+e you "r#g +e +y plate of foo! you w#ll slap #t !owthere l#-e say#g, :ou tur-ey, loo- what you !#! to +e%:

.uest#oH ow !o we ot "e !e)e#'e! fro+ the agel of l#ght@

AswerH <B#g s#gh= ow to ta-e the oly 7p#r#t for your gu#!e a! "e ot !e)e#'e!@ hat +easthat you )a "e !e)e#'e! "y the 7p#r#t, "ut how )a you "e !e)e#'e!% *f * ha'e the Datr#ar)hal

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Dr#esthoo! a! * tell +y guar!#a agel, :6o tell h#s guar!#a agel that #f he rea!s th#stest#+oy, that #t4s true%:

Now you go pray, a! as you are as-#g, :*s th#s true@: what #s your guar!#a agel go#g tosay@

:es%:

he you say, :* wat to "e spe)#f#), &ho tol! you to tell +e that th#s #s true@:

:he father%: All patr#ar)hs are the father, so he says, :he father:% Now what !o you assu+e@hat h#s ea'ely Father tol! h#+ to say that% hat4s how easy #t #s to "e !e)e#'e!% All he )atest#fy to #s truth%

7o #f * wr#te so+eth#g a! #t #s true a! * ha! #t to you a! you rea! #t a! as- <#f #t #s true=a! * say, :ell h#+ #t4s true%: *s he tell#g the truth@ es%

A! #f you say, :&ho tol! you@: a! h#s aswer #s :he father,: #s he tell#g the truth@ es%here are people that )a !o that% F#! out <where the aswers are )o+#g fro+= whe you startgett#g aswers, whe you say, :* ee! to -ow%: *t too- +e f#ftee years to get +y f#rst aswersa! # the last e#ght years *4'e ha! 1/,/// aswers% ou )a4t get #to as +u)h trou"le for ot!o#g as you )a for try#g% E'e #f you4re try#g, you4re say#g, :*f * put +y ha! o th#s sto'ew#ll #t "ur +e@:

Cet4s say a e'#l sp#r#t says, No%

Dut your ha! o the sto'e a! er- #t "a)- a! say, :6ee, here * truste! you a! you tol! +e #twoul!4t% &hy !#! you tell +e that@: E'etually you4re go#g to f#! out who tol! you to tell +eto put #t o the sto'e% J#! th#s )o+e fro+ who@, who@, who@, a! f#! out where #t or#g#ate!%ou w#ll f#! out that 7ata #s # there%

&hat * use as +y -ey #sH ?esus #s the hr#st a! the oly way to the Father%: <Aswer shoul! "ees=% E'#l sp#r#ts w#ll a!+#t that ?esus #s the hr#st, "ut they wo4t e'er say e #s the oly wayto the Father% he * woul! say, :*s the Boo- of Mor+o a se)o! w#tess of hr#st who #s theoly way to the Father@ <Aswer shoul! "e es=% he, :Joes ?oseph 7+#th hol! all the -eysto the last !#spesat#o@: <Aswer shoul! "e es=% * get those three aswers, the * as- theIuest#o aga#, :*f * put +y ha! o th#s sto'e w#ll #t "ur +e@

Aswer #s es%

Ahhhh, #t4s a l#ttle !#fferet% *t4s a !#fferet aswer of 4es4 tha the other three eses% * go "a)- a! as- the three Iuest#os aga# a! the * as-, 7houl! * put +y ha! o the sto'e@:

es%

Ahah, get thee he)e 7ata% * f#! out that the sp#r#t that was try#g to tell +e to put +y ha!

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o the sto'e was the e'#l sp#r#t a! so *4! say, Ahah% &hee'er so+e"o!y says so+eth#g *4!say, :Oh, well what4s the aswer@

es%

:*s ?esus the hr#st a! the oly way to the Father@: No aswer% :6et thee he)e, 7ata%: ouha'e to lear how to f#! out where #t #s )o+#g fro+%

ou )a get a lot of tagets> you get off the ra$or4s e!ge% *f you wat to f#! -eys of f#!#g out#f th#gs are fro+ your ea'ely Father or ot% your ea'ely Father #s always go#g to "e th#sature of aswersH ou4re +y so, *4+ well please!, * forg#'e all yours s#s% &he you rea!fro+ the JS a! you rea! ay of that stuff you -ow that #t #s r#ght fro+ the Father%

.uest#oH Joes e e'er asyou a Iuest#o@ ou as- a Iuest#o a! he w#ll throw oe "a)-%

AswerH es% C#-e, &hy !o you wat to -ow@ Or &hy !o you th#s@ ere #s the Father4s

progra+ so you )a use #t as a gu#!e to see how, "ut f#rst you ha'e to "el#e'e what * a+ tell#gyou a"out #t L "ut you )a test that% he Father4s progra+ #s th#sH My so ;e#th, #f you plat)or *4ll )ause #t to grow% *f you plat wee!s *4ll )ause wee!s to grow, "ut you are go#g to ha'eto eat whate'er oe you plat% * other wor!s, you plat hatre!, you plat lo'e, you platforg#'eess, whate'er you plat *4ll )ause to grow a! you4ll e! up eat#g #t% hat #s the olylaw of 6o! there #s% &hat you sow, you reap% here #s o other law% Mar- E% Deterso a! a lotof the+ say there are a lot of laws% Ell#e 7)aro<@= there4s oly oe law a! the she says here4s alaw, a! that there4s a law #rre'o)a"ly !e)ree! # hea'e for e'ery "less#g% hat +eas a lot of laws% No, what #t +eas #sH &hate'er you plat that4s what you get% hat4s the oly law there #s%

4he Father #s go#g to say, :&hat #t #s you wat, plat% * )a )ause #t to grow, "ut whate'er #t #syou ha'e to eat #t%: Bas#)ally that4s all e #s go#g to say% e4ll say, :*f you !o th#s, th#s #s whatyou4ll get% *f you !o th#s, th#s #s what you get%: But e w#ll e'er tell you wh#)h oe to )hoose%e wats you to test #t a! f#! out%

Now 7ata w#ll step # a! g#'e you a re'elat#o a! h#s re'elat#os areH ou e#ther !o th#s or *tur you o'er to the "uffet#gs of 7ata% Now, ta-e those two -eys a! go rea! the JS a!f#! out% a-e a h#ghl#ghter, a yellow oe a! a p#- oe% *f you )a tell that4s )o+#g fro+ theFather, #f #t4s lo'e, forg#'eess, a! #t !eals w#th the law of the har'est, !o #t yellow% &he youru #to so+eth#g say#g, ou e#ther !o th#s, or else,: start !o#g p#-% ou )a "e r#ght #+#!5sete)e whe all of a su!!e #t w#ll sw#t)h "a)-%

&he ?oseph #s re)e#'#g a re'elat#o # the JS a! the re'elat#o #s )o+#g to #+ fro+ theFather, a! the oly 6host #s there say#g repet a! ?oseph4s +#! 5 here4s the s)r#pture, +yfa'or#te oe, :Be st#ll a! -ow that * a+ 6o!%: Be st#ll +eas stop th#-#g% our atural +a+#! +ust stop> #t4s a ee+y to 6o!, has "ee fro+ the "eg##g, so stop th#-#g% * other wor!s, "e st#ll a! -ow, -ow that what * a+ tell#g you #s )o+#g fro+ +e% Jo4t get off thera$or4s e!ge, oe way or the other, ust stay r#ght here% ;ow% Now% 6o! oly has oe t#+e a!that #s ow, so -ow#g +eas you are # the ow state% 7o as the re'elat#os )o+e # a!?oseph #s th#-#g :Oh:, a! starts th#-#g a taget, the Cor! stops tal-#g a! 7ata steps

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r#ght #% * +ea, "efore you )a "l#- your eye, a! 7ata f##shes the sete)e a! ow #tsw#t)hes o'er to :ou e#ther !o th#s or else%: As soo as ?oseph4s +#! stops th#-#g, the Cor!4sta-es o'er% e !oes4t go "a)- a! re!o what 7ata ust !#!, e lets you go%

&he * f#rst fou! th#s out * sa#!, :*4+ go#g to go through a! stra#ghte all these out% a-e out

all of 7ata4s a! put # what was a)tually suppose! to "e "e)ause * )oul! see the re'elat#o)o+#g that ?oseph got a! * )oul! see r#ght where ?oseph ha! starte! th#-#g a! how 7ataow puts h#s l#ttle p#e)e # there a! the the Cor!, the 7ata%%% * was th#-#g * a+ go#g toe!#t th#s a! * was #to #t a"out two +oths a! * get, :&ho tol! you to !o th#s@:

hhhhh, * wate! to% * -ew that * was # trou"le%

:&hy !#! you wat to !o th#s@:

* wate! all these people out here # the 'alley to see where you )a get !e)e#'e! "y the7p#r#t%

:ow !#! you f#! out@:

By the 7p#r#t%

:&hy !o4t you let the+ f#! out l#-e you !#!@ 7o they4ll ha'e a test#+oy of the 7p#r#t #stea!of a test#+oy of you%: hat4s pretty goo! a! * ha'e4t !oe ayth#g w#th #t s#)e%

.uest#oH &he you f#rst starte! th#s !ay you po#te! out to us that there was a getle+a thattaught you a "eg##g% here has always got to "e so+eoe, so+ewhere alog the way, thattea)hes the "eg##g%

AswerH F#! out #f he4ll )la#+ that ?esus #s the oly way to the Father% 7ata )la#+s he4s a wayto the Father% *f he )a get 99%999U of e'ery"o!y, what !oes the Father ha'e to !o@ 7ure *4lla))ept you% o+e o "a)-% ou w#ll f#! that * w#ll e'er tell you ayth#g that you )a4te'etually go f#! out yourself% *f ayoe wats help fro+ +e, *4ll help hol! the+ u!er water ut#l they rea)h the po#t they say, Cor!, sa'e +e% Or #f they are hag#g o the )l#ff *4ll ustgra" the+ a! )hu)- the+ off% o +e there #s o lo'e # prolog#g the#r +#sery% *4! rather ust)hu)- you o'er the )l#ff a! you e#ther say, :Cor!, sa'e +e, )o+pletely%: ur your whole l#feo'er to 6o! "e)ause you -ow you are go#g to lose #t all ayway, rather tha help you "a)- upa! say, Cet4s get starte! aga# "e)ause the you e! up w#th )rut)hes a! ho""le alog%

* ha! a guy # oe of the last +eet#gs as- +e, :&here !o you th#- we4re at r#ght ow, here #the 'alley@:

* sa#!, ou are all !e)orat#g a! repa#t#g your !e)- )ha#rs o the #ta#)% ou th#- youha'e to get e'eryth#g # or!er, "ut #t #s all go#g !ow a! #t #s4t go#g to +atter what )olor #t#s%

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