CAO and Career Information Evening

Career Guidance Counsellor – Mr. B. Kearney

Presentation Outline•Key Dates - Handout•3rd Level System•CAO System•Applicant’s Responsibility•Non-CAO Options•Current Career Information•Finance•Employability•HEAR/ DARE Schemes

OptionsSchool Leaver

Level 5

University level 8Institutes

of Technology level 8 & Levels6/7/8Ladder of progressionSubject Requirements

Points, CAO

College of Further Education

Level 5/6FETAC

Direct entryNo points

Progression/links

FAS, GardaiTeagasc

Defence ForcesApprenticeships

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Minimum Requirements Irish English Maths Other Language

UCC Arts and Law courses do not require Maths

UCD NUIG (Galway)

NUIM (Maynooth)

TCD (Irish or Foreign)

UL (Irish or Foreign)

DCU Irish or English

ITs Irish or English

Colleges of Education (HC3)

Defence Gardai (2 of Irish/ English/

Foreign Language)

•Nursing, Engineering and most Science courses do NOT require a foreign language•Double check all of this information on the college websites or qualifax.ie•Most Honours Degree Courses (Level 8) have minimum requirements of 3HCs and 3ODs•Some I.T.s accept Foundation Maths for entry to many courses – check on the college websites

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CAO PointsCourse Points = Supply and

DemandInterviews/ Portfolios/

Audition

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Points Rise – Ag. Science UCD 310 to 470 CAO Points

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Points Drop: Construction Mgmt. 400 to 260 CAO Points

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Types of CollegesPost Leaving Cert Colleges

Institutes of Technology(CIT & LIT)

Universities(UCC & U.L)

PLC colleges include Colaiste Stiofain Naofa, College of Commerce & St. Johns College.Don’t need pointsMost apply online. Various enrolment dates – St. Johns in January Rounds of interviews from MarchPlaces given on first come first serve basis.

Minimum Entry requirements for CIT:For most Level 7 courses is Leaving certificate grade D3 at Ordinary or Higher Level in 5 subjects including Maths or English and Irish

A Pass In Foundation Level Maths does not meet minimum requirementsHowever a grade B2 or higher is recognised as a subject for entry to Art, Music and Childcare.

Now students do not need a third European language for any of the Science, Engineering or Food science Programmes but do for all other courses.Minimum requirements for individual courses can be found in college prospectuses, on qualifax website and by googling “bgscareers minimum requirements”

CAO - Application Form – Part 2

Sample List of Courses

1. Business Information Systems 485

2. Commerce UCC 455

3. Finance UCC 440

4. Food Business UCC 335

5. Arts UCC 395

6. Software Development CIT 340

7. Computer Science UCC 380

8. Computer Applications 335

9. Business UL 420

10. Business 435

1. Business Studies CIT 365

2. Office Information Systems CIT 345

3. Tourism CIT400

4. Computing CIT 320

5. Business Studies WIT

6. Commercial Computing WIT220

7. Physics/Instrumentation CIT 270

8. Business Studies ITT 200

9. Office Information Systems ITT 210

10. Computing ITT170

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NO NO YES

A Students Course Preferences - ExampleStudent

Points

445

Cut Off Points

All Lower

Preference

Courses Disappear

From Students

CAO application

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Course Preferences

1st Preference Courses

2nd Preference “Plan B” Courses

Least preferred- but good match Courses

Place Allocation

• Students will always be offered their first preference where they meet the points cut off and minimum requirements

• 2 Different lists- 2 Different offers 1 Course to acceptSame procedure

• Regardless of whether or not they accept a course in round 1, they will still be offered a higher preference course in subsequent rounds if they become entitled one.

Applicant’s Responsibility

• Research thoroughly all the courses which they are applying for

• Become familiar with all aspects of the application system used (CAO) for these courses, i.e., procedures, dates, fees, rules, etc.

• Springboard research from BGS Guidance Website• Trust no single source (CAO handbook/site/alerts)• CAO application in Dec/ Jan

CAO Key Points

• Complete application in order of preference• Student’s responsibility to check all details• Retain proof and copies of all CAO application

material

Further Education Courses (Post Leaving Cert courses )

• Full time & part-time • Very practical – include work experience• No points requirements; main selection based on interview• Wide range of courses

-Creative/multimedia/IT/Social/Business.........• Act as

– A qualification in their own right – A stepping stone to Higher Education through FETAC links– Foundation/preparation for other third level options

F.E.T.A.C. Links Scheme

• Another route to get a degree• Apply direct to FETAC colleges• FETAC course information on• www.fetac.ie www.qualifax.ie www.cao.ie -

Check FETAC links and course requirements Website

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BGS Career Guidance

• Personal Guidance Interviews• Guidance Classes • CAO Demo• Tutorials• Guest Speakers: CIT, UCC, UL, UCAS, Study

Abroad etc.• Seminars: Study Skills/ Time & Stress Mgmt.

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Finance• ONLINE ONLY grant applications system • Student Universal Support Ireland (SUSI) through www.studentfinance.ie• Finance Section of BGS Guidance• Documention • Birth Cert.

• Residency & Proof of Address.• DSP (Social Welfare) or HSE cert of income for the previous tax year.• P60, P45, P21 PAYE Balancing Statement.• Pension entitlement info• Income from employment including self –employment• Details of pension or redundancy lump sums.• Gifts, Inheritances, Income from Land or other property.• Any other source of income

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College Costs – Living Away from Home

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Cost of Accommodation

Employability

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What are Employers looking for?VERBAL COMMUNICATION

TEAMWORK

COMMERCIAL AWARENESS

ANALYSING & INVESTIGATING

INITIATIVE/SELF MOTIVATION

DRIVE

WRITTEN COMMUNICATION

PLANNING & ORGANISING

FLEXIBILITY

TIME MANAGEMENT

Tomorrow’s Jobs“Many of the jobs in 2015 and

most of the jobs in 2030 do not currently exist

and cannot be foreseen yet.”Expert Group on New Skills for New Jobs – report

prepared for the European Commission (February 2010)

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Today’s Jobs

• Let’s look at the industries in Ireland:– 8 of the top 10 pharmaceutical companies.– 9 out of the top 10 global ICT companies.– 5 of the top global software companies.– 15 out of the top 25 medical devices companies.– More than 50% of the worlds leading financial

services firms.

Powerful combinations

• IT and language (cloud computing +German)• Finance, quantitative modelling + IT• Logistics and language• Statistics + Chemistry/Pharma (clinical trials)• Architecture/engineering + advanced CAD• Electrical/mechanical + green technology

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Key Points

• CAO Order of Preference• Student CAO application Dec/ Jan • Change of mind up to July 1st • Discuss Options at Christmas

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Peer Guidance

What would you have done differently?

Stop complaining about how awful studying is and just do it! Make sure to take lots of time off to relax and don't give up doing things you enjoy in favour of studying.

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HEAR Scheme

• The Higher Education Access Route (HEAR) is a college and university admissions scheme which offers places on reduced points and extra college support to school leavers

• HEAR applicants must meet a range of financial, social and cultural indicators to be considered for a reduced points place and extra college support

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DARE Scheme Workshops

• Accesscollege.ie: Events• DARE Clinic, 14th November 2012 UCC 6-8pm

Pre-booking through school necessary• DARE Clinic Cork, December 5th 2012, 6.30-

8.30pm, CIT, Contact christine.nolan@cit.ie to book a place

• DARE & HEAR Application Advice Clinics: Nationwide: Saturday 12th January 2013